Chilly and Cheerful AG or Partial Eurolager?

[Fifey]

Nice and chilly at the moment, might just get on with a kit but I'd like the damn thing to be nice and light so that the lagerboy in my circle of friends and the partially convinced are won over. An LDME partial might be the go. It's probably going to be a pretty simple recipe but I cannot find my John Palmer.

Do I hop entirely with nobles? I'd also like it slightly hoppier than usual but still with lower bitterness, so I guess I've just answered myself.

Sorry for the thread spam, but it has been quiet lately.

[Tipsy]

If your choice is AG or Partial, I'd go AG for a lager.

As for using entirely nobles, I'd say go for it.
I sometimes bitter with a high AA hop for something different but I mainly use all nobles.

[drsmurto]

Bitter with Perle or German Northern Brewer, flavour and aroma with a noble (hallertau for preference, saaz if you are feeling bohemian).

As much pilsner malt as you can mash (mash low , the rest LDME.

The only lager yeasts i can recommend are liquid as i haven't used a dry lager yeast before (and thankfully the fast one isn't here to create mindless chatter on that topic). Wyeast 2000, 2206 or 2278 but my personal favourite is White Labs WLP833 for a malty but dry and crisp lager.

[Fifey]

My experience is only with the dry lager yeast and with K&B but I found it worked very well. We had excellent temp control though, being brewed in winter and with a long lagering period. Very clean.

Loved the smell and taste of Hallertau, though tried Hallertau/Saaz and Saaz/Tettnager in later lagers. On that note does Northern Brewer add much, or, worded conversely, will I get any flavour benefits from bittering with Hallertau (just checked Beerbelly and they are out of Northern Brewer so I might have to bitter with something else anyway)? Perhaps I could hop later with more for more hop flavour; or will a smaller amount be enough with the low key light malt profile?

I might just try and bother Simon to use his equipment for a lager as well as the porter and do AG, but he suggested with the mash perhaps a touch of aciduated malt to help with attenuation

[drsmurto]

Beerbelly has Perle in stock and that is what i would use.

No, bittering additions will not add flavour or aroma (well, some might argue a slight contribution if you are doing bittering additions only but thats another thread).

I'd keep the flavour and aroma additions to a minimum. 0.5-1g/L for both.

[jords]

Hi guys

Luckily, I was looking at making a german-esque lager today when I came across this thread.

This is what I am going with.

3 kg Morgans extra light malt extract (2 cans)


5g Northern Brewer (GER) 15% @ 60mins
10g Halletau aroma 8.4% @ 20mins
10g Halletau aroma 8.4% @ 10mins

1 packet saflager w-34/70

Planned ferment temp something like 12C - For how long? This is my first lager, should I rack it?

Thanks for the (unasked for) advice DrS, Fifey and Tipsy! Exactly what I was looking for

Cheers

[drsmurto]

12C for 3-4 weeks, I'd probably go for a lower temp ca. 10C.

Would probably benefit from a diacetyl rest after 2 weeks (raise temp to 16C for 3 days) then cool back down to ferment temp.

After 3-4 weeks cool down to 1C and rack.

Lager for as long as you can, I tend to go for 4 weeks as a minimum up to 3 months.

[jords]

Sweet, thanks Doc. I'll do exactly that and let you know how it goes.

I also made this on Sunday, felt like getting creative a little.

2kg Coopers Light dry malt
0.3 kg Caramunich I
0.1kg Carapils
0.1kg Dark Crystal (BTW I have been calling this crystal 120 in brewmate, is that right?)
0.05kg Black malt

7g Northern Brewer (GER) 15% @ 60mins
5g Halletau aroma 8.4% @ 20mins
5g Halletau aroma 8.4% # 10 mins

1 pkt Saflager 23

ferment at 10C with the other one. Cant wait!

[Fifey]

Lagering works a treat, still quite pleased with how clean our kit lagers last year were.

I'm going to wait and see what scholarships I can score, might get some good equipment.

[emnpaul]

0.1kg Dark Crystal (BTW I have been calling this crystal 120 in brewmate, is that right?)

As far as I know yes. I use dark crystal in some of my beers which I buy as 250 EBC. I think the difference comes from brewmate using the lovibond scale. I'm not sure exactly what the conversion is but I don't think it matters much either.

Cheers
Paul

[jords]

Thanks for letting me know Paul