The great Hoegaarden clone - in progress

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Postby Trough Lolly » Friday Nov 09, 2007 8:27 pm

Kevnlis wrote:Well I have bought stuff called "dry extract" and it is nothing like the stuff I get that is called "spray malt". The dry extract is about like caster sugar in the size of the crystals, this spray malt is fluid, it pours like water!


...fair enough! I assume that your spray malt is spray dried wheat malt which must be a finer dried powder than spray dried barley malt extract. I've never used dried wheat malt extract - let us know how it goes!

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Postby damian44 » Sunday Nov 11, 2007 10:50 am

I finally found some. Now to find ale malt.

http://www.brewcraftsa.com.au/showProduct/60056
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Postby Kevnlis » Sunday Nov 11, 2007 12:23 pm

Actually I think you want this one mate:

http://www.brewcraftsa.com.au/showProduct/60067
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Postby damian44 » Saturday Nov 24, 2007 11:36 am

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Postby damian44 » Saturday Nov 24, 2007 12:31 pm

Well in the end i got the

ESB wheat 3kg
500g Torrified Wheat
Orange peel (G&G)
corriander seed
White Labs Belgium wit yeast
14 grams Fuggles (10 min boil)
14 grams Goldings (15 min boil)

Im not gonna add extra malt because its mainly to take to golf. I just have a few questions

1. Will i use a pestal and mortar to gently smash torrified wheat?
2. How long after its in the bottle till its ready to drink and how long can i store it till it starts to go downhill?

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Postby Trough Lolly » Saturday Nov 24, 2007 3:08 pm

Don't you have a grain mill?
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Postby damian44 » Monday Nov 26, 2007 5:11 pm

No grain mill unfortunatly, but the pestal and mortar did the trick. My 1st boil and 1st boil over. Not too bad though. It smelt delicious albeit a bit corriandery. I might drop the coriander back to 20g from 30g as i have 2 more batches waiting to go. YAY. I need empty bottles.

On a differant note what hops would go well with saaz to add abit of bittering?

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Postby grunthos » Tuesday Nov 27, 2007 11:21 am

Is James L still out there?

How was your 12L test clone?
Any joy?
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Postby grunthos » Wednesday Dec 19, 2007 12:50 pm

While I'm at it James L.
What was the Alc reading and Gravity readings if you have them?
I'm interested to try this baby real soon now!
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Postby cogs » Saturday Dec 22, 2007 7:43 pm

Hi all,

First post :D

I've just finished my first homebrew (basic Munich Lager from a Brewcraft kit) it's been in bottles for around a week but I couldn't wait to try something more to my liking. Today I got what I need for the Hoegaarden clone following the recipe here. I've done the torrefied wheat and will let that wait overnight.

Just one question: I've dried the mandarin (rind from 3) in the oven and saw on the recipe that dropping the peel in at the last 5 minutes didn't apply to dried peel - so does this mean it won't be too strong if I leave it in for the full time as in the latest recipe?

I know sounds like a dumb question but just wanted to check

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Postby damian44 » Saturday Dec 22, 2007 8:03 pm

Did you get all the white stuff off the back of the oranges?

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Postby cogs » Saturday Dec 22, 2007 8:13 pm

Damo,
For the mandarin peel I made sure it was only the orange rind - not the white stuff. :D
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Postby damian44 » Saturday Dec 22, 2007 9:33 pm

I thought i read somewhere you remove pith and place it on some sort of paper that gets the oils out overnight. But im a nubie.

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Postby James L » Wednesday Jan 02, 2008 10:17 am

12L test was done with extra light liquid malt

Tastes quite nice, but still too dark for hoegaarden...

I used the bitter peel but i reckon if you used half bitter and half sweet, you might get a nice result.

Umm its been a while since i did it... so i'll have to get back to you with the gravity and alc readings (i'm at work, and my brew book is at home)....
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Re: The great Hoegaarden clone - in progress

Postby grunthos » Wednesday Jan 16, 2008 10:45 am

Thanks James L.

I bit the bullet and did the 12l version. will post up my final recipe and SG readings once the taste test is over and if I'm happy with it. :wink:

going to bottle it today or tomorrow so need to think about priming sugar and/or corn syrup to give a bubble or two and a bit of head.
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Re: The great Hoegaarden clone - in progress

Postby James L » Wednesday Jan 16, 2008 11:30 am

to tell you the truth... it might not look like hoegaarden, but it is a great beer to drink on a nice summers day... you get a nice compact head, you get the nice subtle flavours of the coriander and the bitter orange peel, and there isnt any overlying bitterness... its a very balanced beer.

Its a shame i only did 12 Litres...

I would like to try the brew new time with extra light dry malt, that'll give a slighty lighter colour, and maybe go half half with the bitter and sweet belgian dried orange peel.

One day i'll do it AG....

I think the OG was 1044 and the FG was about 1014 so it wasnt overly strong. and that would make the % about 4.2. i brewed at about 20C, i dunno whether fermenting at temps higher than that will effect the flavour at all..
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Re: The great Hoegaarden clone - in progress

Postby nippy » Friday Jan 18, 2008 12:09 pm

Hi guys,

Just joined this forum after being a long time casual observer. I’ve always found it very helpful!

After putting down a couple of simple wheat beers I’m now thinking of advancing to this recipe! Just a question though:

I’m thinking about using a 50/50 mixture of Spray Dried Light Malt Extract and LDME in place of the 1.5kg can of liquid wheat malt (in a recipe similar to James L’s latest one.)

In that event would you still use the 250g of dry wheat malt as used in step 3? Replace it with something else or just leave it out all together?

I’m aiming for a 23 litre volume. Just curious on your thoughts. :D
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Re: The great Hoegaarden clone - in progress

Postby damian44 » Sunday Jan 20, 2008 9:57 pm

Mission accomplished!
by Danzar on Monday Apr 09, 2007 12:40 pm

Well, this recipe is officially done!

Last night I tasted a batch of the latest (v.5) and it's so close it's not funny. It's hard to tell the difference. I've updated the main recipe from the OP, but here is what I did.

1 x 3kg can ESB wheat.
250 grams dry wheat malt.
14 grams Fuggles (10 min boil)
14 grams Goldings (15 min boil)
20 grams dried bitter orange peel (ordered from Grain and Grape)
30 grams cracked coriander seeds (make sure it has a nice citrusy smell)
2 grams cumin seed
500 grams torrefied wheat, steeped for 30 mins in hot water then sparged.
White Labs WLP400 Belgian Wit yeast (the Wyeast equivalent is the 3944).

Boil all ingredients (except yeast) for 15 minutes, although I added the Fuggles 5 minutes in. Cold break in an ice bath. Strained into fermenter. Pitched at 21c.

I've got another one in the fermenter now, where I mashed the torrefied wheat with 500g malted Barley but that's up to you.

I promise you this one is a 90-95% match. The missing links were the bitter orange and cumin and the higher amount of coriander.

Enjoy peoples!!!



I gave this recipe a whirl, and its a cracker. Not a big fan of wheats, but this is good. It captures all the things you like about a Hogaarden beautifully. The two hops really hit it off but die down pretty quickly?

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Re: The great Hoegaarden clone - in progress

Postby Paleman » Tuesday Jan 29, 2008 8:15 pm

Can someone let me know what torrified wheat is and where can i get it.

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Re: The great Hoegaarden clone - in progress

Postby ryan » Tuesday Jan 29, 2008 8:34 pm

Paleman wrote:Can someone let me know what torrified wheat is and where can i get it.

Ta !! :D

Apparently it`s a whole-kernel version of flaked wheat, improves body and head retention. You might think about flaked barley, does the same thing. Remember, it has to be mashed.
I`ve used the barley with good results, health shops in Whyalla shoud have it if HBS doesn`t. :wink:
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