Trough Lolly's Sierra Nevada Pale Ale Clone

Trough Lolly · Post by **Trough Lolly** » Monday Feb 19, 2007 8:56 pm

Trough Lolly's SNPA Clone
Last updated: 31 May 2008
(All calcs from Promash)
Batch Size: 22L
OG: 1.046
FG: 1.012
IBU: 38.2
EBC: 17.4

Grist:
2kg Bairds Marris Otter + 1kg Pale ale malt (or 3kg of pale malt if you can't find any MO)
1kg Weyermann Munich I - yes, a kilo!
300g Weyermann Pale Wheat
200g Light Crystal 140 Lovibond (200g of Caraaroma is quite good as a slightly darker substitute!)
1hr infusion mash at 66C - use 2.3 litres per kilo of grain in mashtun.

Boil for one hour with;
Hops:
16g Chinook Pellets 12.4% A/A 60 mins
24g Amarillo Pellets 8.9% A/A 15 mins
16g Cascade Pellets 6.3% A/A at flameout/end of boil

Yeast:
Wyeast 1056 - American Ale fermented at 18C

Optional:
1/2 tab of Whirfloc with 15 to go in the boil

Cheers,
TL

beerdrinker · Post by **beerdrinker** » Monday Feb 19, 2007 11:00 pm

SNPA Clone

A ProMash Recipe Report

Recipe Specifics
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Batch Size (Gal): 6.00 Wort Size (Gal): 6.00
Total Grain (Lbs): 13.60
Anticipated OG: 1.053 Plato: 13.00
Anticipated SRM: 11.9
Anticipated IBU: 37.0
Brewhouse Efficiency: 65 %
Wort Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Formulas Used
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Brewhouse Efficiency and Predicted Gravity based on Method #1, Potential Used.
Final Gravity Calculation Based on Points.
Hard Value of Sucrose applied. Value for recipe: 46.2100 ppppg
Yield Type used in Gravity Prediction: Fine Grind Dry Basis.

Color Formula Used: Morey
Hop IBU Formula Used: Tinseth
Tinseth Concentration Factor: 1.30

Additional Utilization Used For Plug Hops: 2 %
Additional Utilization Used For Pellet Hops: 10 %

Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential SRM
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87.5 11.90 lbs. Pale Malt(2-row) America 1.036 2
12.5 1.70 lbs. Crystal 60L America 1.034 60

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.

Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
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2.00 oz. Cascade Pellet 5.45 0.0 0 min. (at flameout no dry hopping)
1.00 oz. Cascade Pellet 5.45 6.8 10 min.
0.40 oz. Magnum Pellet 13.00 17.9 60 min.
0.50 oz. Perle Pellet 9.00 11.9 30 min.

Yeast
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White Labs WLP001 California Ale

Mash Schedule
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Mash Type: Single Step

Grain Lbs: 13.60
Water Qts: 16.44 - Before Additional Infusions
Water Gal: 4.11 - Before Additional Infusions

Qts Water Per Lbs Grain: 1.21 - Before Additional Infusions

Saccharification Rest Temp : 153 Time: 60
Mash-out Rest Temp : 168 Time: 15
Sparge Temp : 170 Time: 0

Total Mash Volume Gal: 5.20 - Dough-In Infusion Only

All temperature measurements are degrees Fahrenheit. recipe i tried taken from the northern brewer

beerdrinker · Post by **beerdrinker** » Tuesday Feb 20, 2007 12:41 am

I would halve the crystal60, if you think LCPA is bitter then modify this? tastes lice LCPA with some stout in it??? maybe i just brewed it wrong?

Trough Lolly · Post by **Trough Lolly** » Tuesday Feb 20, 2007 10:29 am

beerdrinker wrote:I would halve the crystal60, if you think LCPA is bitter then modify this? tastes lice LCPA with some stout in it??? maybe i just brewed it wrong?

I don't think LCPA is bitter - it's a good beer. The bottled SNPA that I drank in the US was more tart than LCPA - I suspect that they may even use a hop like Chinook or Perle to bitter the beer with. I prefer the results that Northern Brewer gives in conjunction with Amarillo and Cascade...2oz / 56g of Cascade at flameout is quite a bit - I'd be careful you don't invite grassy notes to the beer...

The small choc malt addition also gives a touch of grain bitterness and colour to the final product.

As much as I admire the Northern Brewer team (yes, I'm a happy customer of theirs), I tried this recipe and it turned out a nice APA, but IHMO, it wasn't a clone of SNPA...once again, YMMV.

Cheers,
TL

chris. · Post by **chris.** » Tuesday Feb 20, 2007 12:17 pm

Trough Lolly wrote:As much as I admire the Northern Brewer team (yes, I'm a happy customer of theirs), I tried this recipe and it turned out a nice APA, but IHMO, it wasn't a clone of SNPA...once again, YMMV.

The Northern Brewer "Team"? IIRC the recipe was formulated by a Northern Brewer Forum member along with the SN brew master.

http://forum.northernbrewer.com/viewtop ... 32&start=0

beerdrinker · Post by **beerdrinker** » Tuesday Feb 20, 2007 2:29 pm

Thanks chris i wanted to put the link in there but didnt know how. Thanks to beerfan for posting the recipe. Hey trough whats with the grassy notes thing? something with the hops?

Trough Lolly · Post by **Trough Lolly** » Wednesday Feb 21, 2007 8:23 am

Yeah, some pellet hops when added at flameout or dry hopped are known to give off undesireable grassy flavour notes to the beer - culprits include cascade and saaz. I do like late additions of cascade but I typically keep it to around no more than 16g for a 21L batch.

Cheers,
TL (NB Forum member).

Trough Lolly · Post by **Trough Lolly** » Wednesday Feb 21, 2007 9:18 am

chris. wrote:The Northern Brewer "Team"? IIRC the recipe was formulated by a Northern Brewer Forum member along with the SN brew master.

http://forum.northernbrewer.com/viewtop ... 32&start=0

As I said, Beerfan's recipe is a good APA, but do you really expect the SN Brew Master would readily provide the exact SNPA recipe to the brewing community???

Without wanting to split hairs Chris, I made a generic reference to the NB website/forum/community...Whatever, let's have a beer.

Cheers,
TL

Ross · Post by **Ross** » Wednesday Feb 21, 2007 10:46 am

The basics of SNPA recipe are available direct from their website
http://www.sierranevada.com/beers/paleale.html

cheers Ross

Trough Lolly · Post by **Trough Lolly** » Wednesday Feb 21, 2007 8:43 pm

Seeing the bottle brought back a few fond memories!!

DarkFaerytale · Post by **DarkFaerytale** » Thursday Feb 22, 2007 7:12 am

seeing as the topic came up and TL had fond memories seeing a pic thought i'd show off, my mum is american and bought back some presents while she's visiting

3 bottles of each, drinking this weekend with a couple of mates

-Phill

DarkFaerytale · Post by **DarkFaerytale** » Thursday Feb 22, 2007 7:21 am

on a side note i'm thinking of culturing up the yeast in the SNPA for a IPA i'm doing on suday instead of using a pack of US-56 (US-05) good/bad idea?

gregb · Post by **gregb** » Thursday Feb 22, 2007 7:49 am

DarkFaerytale wrote:on a side note i'm thinking of culturing up the yeast in the SNPA for a IPA i'm doing on suday instead of using a pack of US-56 (US-05) good/bad idea?

Can't hurt, even though I **think** it is brewed with Cal Ale (US56, 1056 etc)

Cheers,
Greg

Trough Lolly · Post by **Trough Lolly** » Thursday Feb 22, 2007 8:20 am

Great pic Phill!
I never thought I'd be getting beer pangs at 9am!

I've got a keg of steam beer in the cellar - I'm working on a clone for anchor and I'll tap the keg this weekend to see how it turns out.

Cheers,
TL

DarkFaerytale · Post by **DarkFaerytale** » Thursday Feb 22, 2007 9:12 am

TL - i'v got kai's paddelsteamer (steam beer) in secondary at the moment, not sure how it compaires to anchor, altho i'm having quite a few problems in the brewery at the moment. fridge playing funny buggers and way lower efficiency than expected so i think my version will be pale in comparason to kai's original

gregb - i thought it would be 1056, i think i will culture it and keep the saf-ale as a back up

cheers

-Phill

Trough Lolly · Post by **Trough Lolly** » Thursday Feb 22, 2007 9:39 am

Kai's steam is excellent - I hope to produce something similar but I'm going for a more traditional amberish variant with tons of NB to give that woody flavour profile.
I see you've got a Kilkenny on the chalk board! Good time of the year to put some down...

Cheers,
TL

chris. · Post by **chris.** » Friday Feb 23, 2007 5:34 pm

Trough Lolly wrote: As I said, Beerfan's recipe is a good APA, but do you really expect the SN Brew Master would readily provide the exact SNPA recipe to the brewing community???

Ross wrote: The basics of SNPA recipe are available direct from their website
http://www.sierranevada.com/beers/paleale.html

cheers Ross

Looks pretty damn close to me

Trough Lolly · Post by **Trough Lolly** » Saturday Feb 24, 2007 6:03 pm

chris. wrote:
Looks pretty damn close to me

Thanks for figuring that out Chris...

I must admit that I've never visited their website and that's ignorance on my part, but I still maintain that the basic ingredients don't deliver the same experience as they do in the bottle. So, it must be a combination of when, how and how much of each ingredient they use and other things such as water profile, yeast strain etc etc. Oh and the fact that their brew setup is a $hitload better than mine!

Cheers,
TL

chris. · Post by **chris.** » Sunday Feb 25, 2007 12:05 pm

Trough Lolly wrote:
chris. wrote:
Looks pretty damn close to me
Thanks for figuring that out Chris...

I must admit that I've never visited their website and that's ignorance on my part, but I still maintain that the basic ingredients don't deliver the same experience as they do in the bottle. So, it must be a combination of when, how and how much of each ingredient they use and other things such as water profile, yeast strain etc etc. Oh and the fact that their brew setup is a $hitload better than mine!

Cheers,
TL

Hey I'm sure your recipe makes a good APA TL

but I'm not sure if I'd calling it a SNPA clone... looks more like a TLPA to me

Trough Lolly · Post by **Trough Lolly** » Sunday Feb 25, 2007 12:13 pm

...agreed! TLPA it is then.