Lager with XXXX Gold or Carlton mid "aftertaste"

[Kevnlis]

My wife loves these two beers and wants me to try to make a clone that has the same aftertaste which I am assuming is due to dry hopping. I guess the real question is, what hops is it? I can not find a recipe for either forex or carlton midstrength anywhere If anyone has a full recipe that would be even greater help to me!

Cheers

[wildschwein]

You're after Pride of Ringwood (POR) hops. Most mass produced Australian beers rely on it for bittering, flavour and aroma. Apparently, Carlton have their own special varieties of POR they use for Carlton Draught, not sure about Mid though. You could always go to the maufacture's website(s) look for the 'contact us' buttons and send them an email asking what the general compositions of the beers are.

If you want a basic recipe guideline I reckon you could use either a Coopers draught or lager kit (or maybe even a Homebrand kit) and do a 5 minute hop steep + a dry hop and use a lager yeast to ferment it. For an Australian style beer you probably wouldn't go all malt so a bag of Coopers Brew Enhancer 2 (BE2) or 500g of light dried malt extract + 250g-500g of dex would be in order, If you're looking for lower alcohol beer like mid use only 500g-750g of extra fermentables.

[Kevnlis]

My plan was almost exactly as you suggested.

I assumed it would be POR hops.

Was going to do the following recipe:

1 Coopers Lager
1 Coopers Draught
12 grams POR boiled 10 min
12 grams POR dry hopped when racked

I already have a trub to pitch it on

Will let you all know how it turns out!

[wildschwein]

Ahh a toucan brew. That should turn out well and give you a good hoppy Aussie tasting beer.

[alingsparkle]

My experience so far with POR hops is go to lightly.

I (naively) dry hopped at racking with 25g of POR pellets to a Thomas Coopers Traditional Draught with 1.5kg LME done with W34/70 lager yeast. It created far too much POR taste IMO and was too heavy for that style of beer
A similar brew with only 4g POR dry hopped still seemed a bit much

The following schedule
4g @30 mins
4g@15 mins
4g @2 mins
with POR pellets into a Coopers Aust Pale Ale with 1kg LDME and US56 ale yeast gave a better result in terms of POR flavour but I will still tone it back a bit next time.
My best result so far with POR was a 70 min boil using fresh flowers.

[Rysa]

I used 25g in a 2kg BE2 draught, came out fantasic at around 7%.
Keen to do another before too long.

[morgs]

My experience so far with POR hops is go to lightly.

I (naively) dry hopped at racking with 25g of POR pellets to a Thomas Coopers Traditional Draught with 1.5kg LME done with W34/70 lager yeast. It created far too much POR taste IMO and was too heavy for that style of beer
A similar brew with only 4g POR dry hopped still seemed a bit much

The following schedule
4g @30 mins
4g@15 mins
4g @2 mins
with POR pellets into a Coopers Aust Pale Ale with 1kg LDME and US56 ale yeast gave a better result in terms of POR flavour but I will still tone it back a bit next time.
My best result so far with POR was a 70 min boil using fresh flowers.

Time will heal bitterness and grassiness

[Ash]

you can actually buy a XXXX kit made by castlemaine that turns out about right

[Kevnlis]

you can actually buy a XXXX kit made by castlemaine that turns out about right

That doesn't sound like much fun

Thanks for the tip though mate! Brewmaster have one of their conversion kits to do a XXXX as well...but meh...I wanna experiment!

[Ash]

hrm, I have an extract aussie lager (all PoR) in the fermenter at the moment...

*wanders off to chuck 10g of PoR in*

I'll keg it soon & let you know


edit: only had 14g left so I chucked it all in - twas tasting bland so it needed it I reckon.

[Ash]

OK, I actually dry hopped into "secondary" (aka Keg) and force carbed so with only two days on it it's pretty good - have to let it clear & age (yes I know I shouldn't have force carbed yet to lager it) for a couple of weeks & see how it is but thus far it looks alright - more like carlton mid than gold IMO - definately has the PoR aftertaste zing.

Beersmith notes...

Duff
American Light/Standard/Premium Lager
Type: Extract Date: 1/07/2007
Batch Size: 20.00 L Brewer: Ash
Boil Size: 4.00 L Asst Brewer: Nil
Boil Time: 60 min Equipment: My Equipment
Taste Rating(out of 50): 0.0 Brewhouse Efficiency: -
Taste Notes:
Ingredients
Amount Item Type % or IBU
1500.00 gmCoopers Light Liquid Extract (5.3 EBC) Extract 54.5 %
500.00 gm
Morgans Master Blend Lager Malt (2.4
EBC)
Extract 18.2 %
500.00 gm
Morgans Master Blend Lager Malt (boil)
(2.4 EBC)
Extract 18.2 %
250.00 gm Caramel/Crystal Malt - 80L (157.6 EBC) Grain 9.1 %
10.00 gm Pride of Ringwood [9.10%] (60 min) Hops 11.4 IBU
10.00 gm Pride of Ringwood [9.10%] (20 min) Hops 6.9 IBU
10.00 gm Pride of Ringwood [9.10%] (10 min) Hops 4.1 IBU
15.00 gm
Pride of Ringwood [9.10%] (Dry Hop 1
days)
Hops -
1 Pkgs
SafLager West European Lager (DCL
Yeast #S-23)
Yeast-
Lager

Beer Profile
Est Original Gravity: 1.038 SG Measured Original Gravity: 1.038 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.010 SG Measured Final Gravity: 1.010 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 3.7 % Actual Alcohol by Vol: 3.6 %
Bitterness: 22.5 IBU Calories: 352 cal/l
Est Color: 14.8 EBC

[Kevnlis]

1 quick ? Ash...was this a 20L batch?

[Ash]

ya, 20l batch

[Kevnlis]

Beauty...here is my AG varient:

Carlton Mid:
American Light/Standard/Premium Lager

Ingredients

3.00 kg Pilsner (2 Row) Ger (2.0 SRM) Grain 92.3 %
0.25 kg Caramel/Crystal Malt - 80L (80.0 SRM) Grain 7.7 %
20.00 gm Pride of Ringwood [9.00%] (60 min) Hops 13.9 IBU
15.00 gm Pride of Ringwood [9.00%] (20 min) Hops 6.3 IBU
10.00 gm Pride of Ringwood [9.00%] (10 min) Hops 2.5 IBU
10.00 gm Pride of Ringwood [9.00%] (Dry Hop 1 days) Hops -
1 Pkgs SafLager West European Lager (DCL Yeast #S-23) [Starter 1000 ml] Yeast-Lager



Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.038 SG
Measured Original Gravity: 1.010 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.010 SG Measured Final Gravity: 1.005 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 3.6 % Actual Alcohol by Vol: 0.6 %
Bitterness: 22.4 IBU Calories: 90 cal/l
Est Color: 7.7 SRM

[Ash]

ahh, one thing I forgot to mention - it has more body than either gold or mid so perhaps substitute some dextrose for malt if that worries you (doesn't worry me ).

[Kevnlis]

Doesn't worry me one bit...in fact I welcome it...but will have to wait to see what the wife thinks

[brewstar76]

I have found to make a beer similar to carlton mid u are best using the morgan's 3.5 kit and use 2 packets of pride
of ringwood hops. morgan's also sell a kit that is called queenslander gold which is in the style of xxxx gold.