Pils grain for an ale

[drsmurto]

Lots of discussion about this beer over on AHB - check this one out for starters = Link

And if you have a read of this link from the old grumpys forum you will see where the goldings comments come from. Link

At the end of the day, if you like your beer and you think its close to LCPA its all that matters. Being able to sit in my bar, pour myself a pint and say - 'Damn thats a nice pint' is what i aim to achieve. Admittedly its nice when the mates agree!

[beerdrinker]

Hey doc heres a few specs of the LCPA clone,
7kg pale
0.4kg carapils
0.4kg wheat
0.2kgcrystal 60L
25g nthn brewer 60 mins
16g pearle 30 mins
38g cascade 10 mins
74g cascade 0 mins
og 1.052 est fg 1.014 30L batch.
efficiency 65%
mash 67.8C
week primary @ 17C
10 days secondary @ 17C
yeast US56 but cali ale was recomended.

Hope you enjoy! Had a bottle at 10 months and it was heavenly This recipe was provided by forum member Duane thanks mate!!! Duane recomended magnum as the bittering hop but i subbed nthn brewer and tweaked it to get the same ibu`s.

[rwh]

I brewed the Little Creatures Bright Ale AG a few days ago (reduced to 23L), the B Saaz smell absolutely amazing (fruit, fruity, fruitiest!). It's the lightest coloured beer I've ever made I reckon, I guess because it's got no crystal in it. Can't wait to see what it turns out like.

82. LC Bright Ale AG
* 3.2 kg JW Pils
* 900 g JW Vienna
* 260 g Weyermann carapils
* 260 g JW wheat malt
* 9 gm Saaz B and 9 gm cascade @ 45 min
* 13 gm Saaz B and 13 gm Cascade @ 20 min
* half a tablet of irish moss @ 20 minutes
* 18 gm Saaz B and 18 gm cascade @ flameout
* US-05 yeast

[gibbocore]

rwh, i have brewed this recipe 3 times now, every time with awesome results, taken the wheelie bin party keg on tour a few times with rave reviews everywhere, you shouldn't be dissapointed, it's stupidly easy to drink.

[Trough Lolly]

I brewed the Little Creatures Bright Ale AG a few days ago (reduced to 23L), the B Saaz smell absolutely amazing (fruit, fruity, fruitiest!). It's the lightest coloured beer I've ever made I reckon, I guess because it's got no crystal in it. Can't wait to see what it turns out like.

82. LC Bright Ale AG
* 3.2 kg JW Pils
* 900 g JW Vienna
* 260 g Weyermann carapils
* 260 g JW wheat malt
* 9 gm Saaz B and 9 gm cascade @ 45 min
* 13 gm Saaz B and 13 gm Cascade @ 20 min
* half a tablet of irish moss @ 20 minutes
* 18 gm Saaz B and 18 gm cascade @ flameout
* US-05 yeast

I've been hunting for a recipe to brew next weekend with loads of Saaz in it - thanks for that! I've got Weyermann Pils but that should be fine - what temp was your sacch rest? 1 hour mash? Can you remember the A/A of the hops you used?

Cheers,
TL

[warra48]

I brewed an ESB in early April. I know it's out of style, but it is drinking beautifully at the moment. I used Super Alpha for bittering, but everything else I used B Saaz. It's a terrific hop, and I'm sure you'll love your beer brewed with it.

[rwh]

I've been hunting for a recipe to brew next weekend with loads of Saaz in it - thanks for that! I've got Weyermann Pils but that should be fine - what temp was your sacch rest? 1 hour mash? Can you remember the A/A of the hops you used?

Off the top of my head, the B Saaz was somewhere in the region of 6.5%AA (so very different to normal Saaz this year). I can have a look when I get home. The original recipe for a 52L batch is here I believe. He used 6.8%AA B Saaz so looks like my memory was pretty accurate. My sacc rest was 66°C, for one hour.

[Trough Lolly]

Thanks for that - and the link.

Cheers,
TL

[rwh]

My B Saaz is 6.71%AA. Cascade is 6.3%AA.

[James L]

hmmm.... saaz B ey? i've heard of it but didnt realise it was what it was... i thought it was just another NZ saaz hybrid. might have to pick myself up a pack...

Also i see that alot of you use the caramalt instead of crystal? is this because of the colour difference it produces? or is it a little more subtle than crystal... I only picked up 500g about a year ago and i havent touched it until I used about 400g in my latest APA last weekend. Would you guys prefer caramalt over crystal? and is 400g too much in a 6kg grain bill?

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Cheers

James

[rwh]

hmmm.... saaz B ey? i've heard of it but didnt realise it was what it was... i thought it was just another NZ saaz hybrid. might have to pick myself up a pack...

As far as I know, it's just Saaz grown in NZ.

Also i see that alot of you use the caramalt instead of crystal? is this because of the colour difference it produces? or is it a little more subtle than crystal... I only picked up 500g about a year ago and i havent touched it until I used about 400g in my latest APA last weekend. Would you guys prefer caramalt over crystal? and is 400g too much in a 6kg grain bill?

Cara is just the same thing as light crystal. Watch it though, it's very sweet. Gives a honey like sweetness that can become cloying if used in large amounts. I certainly wouldn't go over 400g; I probably wouldn't go over 250g. If I remember rightly it's more for lagers than ales. I used to use it all the time but have switched to using medium crystal because I find the cara just too sweet.

[drsmurto]

I like to use caramalt in lighter aussie or yankee beers in small amounts.

For the pommy brews i use pommy crystal which gives it more of a lift and actually provides the caramel flavours rather than just sweetness.

And just to plug my own recipe getting back to the original comment on pils grain in an ale - here 'tis again! Linky

Made this again last week but swapped a few things about as you do - used ale malt and caramalt instead of pils and caramunich. Also used US05 since its pretty much the same thing as 1056

[James L]

I think i might smash it next... the golden ale has always been a favourite of mine... the list is just continues to grow...

[Trough Lolly]

All my oktoberfests have 300g of Caramunich II in them - and no crystal.

Cheers,
TL

[Stubbie]

Perhaps my best ever brew was to take Doc's JSGA clone recipe, replace the Amarillo with Horizon for bittering and Nelson Sauvin for favouring and aroma..........and to ditch the crystal/caramunich altogether. Disappeared way too fast........

I must admit I'm giong thru a stage where I'd rather err on the side of less rather than more crystal grains these days.......better to let the more delicate base malt flavours shine thru rather that rub them out with too much sweetness.

[James L]

I totally agree with you Stubbie...

I think i might've jumped in the deep end with respect to the amounts of crystal i have been adding... I always thought that if you had a hoppy beer, you needed to add crystal to counteract that hoppiness... my how i was wrong....

But i guess thats what brewing is all about trial and error... I dont think the beer will be going to waste...

[rwh]

Yep it's all a learning experience. When you're starting out I reckon it's good to overdo things a bit so you can really pick the flavours. Then once you've educated your palette you can go for the subtle balance. I'm doing OK with the ale type flavours, but I reckon it'll almost be a life's work to get the lagers down pat.

[Trough Lolly]

....yeah but it's a labour of love! There's nothing quite like nailing a decent Dortmunder or Oktoberfest! Just close your eyes and it's Oktoberfest all year long!!