Hops, off to a flying start!

[speedie]

dr dont freeze your hops as it is not recommend pratice
vacuum seal and store at as close to zero as possible

[Bum]

I've noticed a lot of people saying that but not noticed it in my brews.

Mixing the two makes a different result than either alone so they can't be that close.

I reckon at best it is the same thing as people saying Marco Polo is Columbus.

[speedie]

bum talk to any! hop supplier (not HB shop) and ask there Opinion
they make a living from hop!

[Bum]

Read a book.

[bullfrog]

I'm hoping that Bum meant to say "learn some grammar, learn how to spell and learn the difference between homophones" in his last post, otherwise I might have to start posting things of that nature.

[Bum]

Zachary.

[SuperBroo]

Doc, I thought you of all people would have done a harvest ale with hops straight off the bine into the kettle

Putting my hops trellis up over the weekend, my Hallertau have their little buds patiently waiting at the surface, but the 2 cascades don seem to be doing much yet, still fairly cold in the mornings though...

Cheers
Chris

[matr]

Chris, Where did you get your Rhizomes from?

I got mine from HopsWest in Albany. Awesome deal. Ordered 2 rhizomes & got 5..

[SuperBroo]

me too - hops west,

i ordered 2 and got 3 so very happy as well, quik delivry and well packed

nice bloke rupert...

what varieties you get ?

[SuperBroo]

we might have to meet up one sat arvo at James' shop

[matr]

Yep was very easy to deal with. Good info supplied as well.

I got Goldings and Cascade. Ended up with 2 Goldings & 3 Cascade.

we might have to meet up one sat arvo at James' shop

yep can do. I'd like to go and see a demo. Not this week though, Need to watch the Hawks slaughter the Dockers,...

[SuperBroo]

Need to watch the Hawks slaughter the Dockers

bet you a packet of dry yeast from James shop that the Dockers win mate

[matr]

Righto you're on..

[drsmurto]

dr dont freeze your hops as it is not recommend pratice
vacuum seal and store at as close to zero as possible

There are a number very good reason that those in the hop market (ie the wholesalers and producers) do not freeze there hops.

1. Cost. Its cheaper to refrigerate at 0-1C than it is to freeze down to -15C.

2. Transportation. Its cheaper to transport hops in a refrigerated vehicle than one that needs to keep the hops frozen.

On the home scale these issues become irrelevant.

The deterioration of hops through the process of oxidation is dramatically reduced by excluding air (vacuum sealing) and reducing the temperature.

If you freeze fresh, wet hops than you have the potential to cause damage to the hops. As water freezes it punctures the cell walls which is why a lot of vegetables when frozen come out soggy when thawed. The same cant be said for dried vegetables.

So the best practice differs between hop producers and homebrewers based on $.

Doc, I thought you of all people would have done a harvest ale with hops straight off the bine into the kettle

Putting my hops trellis up over the weekend, my Hallertau have their little buds patiently waiting at the surface, but the 2 cascades don seem to be doing much yet, still fairly cold in the mornings though...

Cheers
Chris

You'd think so but i haven't yet. I should just to see what the difference is.

[SuperBroo]

@ Doc,
I am going to dry and then freeze my hops, had never considered anything else, but am definately going to do a harvest ale, so just wanted to know peoples thoughts on how much to multiply the amount by if they are fresh off the bine.
It seems that about 4 times the amount would be roughly close.
cheers...

@ Matt,
I'll keep it simple and have US05 thanks mate

[drsmurto]

Hope lose between 70 and 90% of their weight when dried so ~4x would be a good place to start.

I'd still use a neutral bittering hop though and save the wet hops for flavour and aroma.

[SuperBroo]

Yes, I must remember that, thanks for the tip,
waste of home grown hops to use for bittering...

Can it be generally said that regardless of the hop variety, if you boil them for an hour, the result is going to be the same, as long as you take into account the %AA content ?
I hope you say yes, then I can get rid of my POR as bittering hops, I have been wasting Amarillo in my DSGA ?

So can I Doc ?

cheers,
chris

[Planner]

I'd still use a neutral bittering hop though and save the wet hops for flavour and aroma.

Of the home hop growers, who uses theirs for bittering?
How do you guess AA% or do you just say PoR should be in the range of X% to Y% etc.

[SuperBroo]

Hi Planner,
i've heard some podcasts about this, and I think its a matter of smelling / rubbing different varieties of hops in the palm of your hand and heating up the oils etc, to try and eventually get a feel for the aroma etc.

I think you need a lab to get the actual AA%
You probably dont have much choice but to assume that the AA% might be similar among the same varieties.

others here would know more about this... keen to hear more about this...

[speedie]

Removed, gibberish.