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or Iodophor.

Yard,

I just can't help it. If I was a bass I would be caught everytime

Dogger

everytime i see ''steriliser'', i think..

oh well, won't be too long now and another innocent will be dragged into the light of ''sanitation''.


yard

coit wrote:The reason I stopped brewing last century(I love saying that)is that after a few beers I'd feel sick in the stomach and be short of breath-it was the sodium metabisuphite.Why they still sell it I don't know.Use Napisan,bleach or hot water.

Chemicals are baaaaad, Mmmmkay?

I might give the hot water business a try, it sounds reasonable and costs nothing,plus , with the way i sterilise my bottles; i only briefly swirl it with the sodium met solution,the stuff probably isnt doing anything anyway, and i like the sound of an all natural way of sanitising my equipment.

wiggins wrote:I might give the hot water business a try, it sounds reasonable and costs nothing,plus , with the way i sterilise my bottles; i only briefly swirl it with the sodium met solution,the stuff probably isnt doing anything anyway, and i like the sound of an all natural way of sanitising my equipment.

Just on that method using hot water. I have a young bub at home, and the water for feeding etc, is boiled for AT LEAST 5mins before it is used. Without this period of time, sterilisation may not be complete.

I assume using hot water as a STERILISER for the fermenter and bottles would really require the same guidelines. Are you going to be contemplating boiling everything for five minutes? Just something to think about.


However, having said that, I have an older mate who used to brew, but now only does a still, for whiskey. He used to just rinse bottles thoroughly after drinking, and rinse before bottling in hot water. he never had any problems with infections.

For my bottling and drinking, I reckon I will always use a steriliser.

What about hydrogen peroxide as a stereliser then,its 2 hydrogens and 2 oxygens, so it sounds as though it shouldnt be too toxic.

No peroxide is fine, I even use it on my stainless, although you can only sanitise.

Its not a state of mind folks its true.

Sterilisation is the abscence of any living critter which is difficult to achieve short of having an autoclave.

We Sanitise which means you can have some bugs left over, just in low enough concentrations not to affect the beer. ie, the yeast you pitch outnumbers the bugs and the lag time for the bugs is much greater than the lag for the yeast.

I know it must seem petty to most but............

Dogger

Dogger Dan wrote:Sterilisation is the abscence of any living critter which is difficult to achieve short of having an autoclave.

We Sanitise which means you can have some bugs left over, just in low enough concentrations not to affect the beer. ie, the yeast you pitch outnumbers the bugs and the lag time for the bugs is much greater than the lag for the yeast.

I know it must seem petty to most but............

Dogger

No thats an interesting distinction, thanks for that Dogger, i will always term it as sanitise now.

Cheers,
scblack.

Grumpys,here in the adelaide hills,uses and recomends One Shot,which is orthophosphoric acid.Apparently you don't have to rinse it off.

wiggins wrote:Grumpys,here in the adelaide hills,uses and recomends One Shot,which is orthophosphoric acid.Apparently you don't have to rinse it off.

If only they had Grumpy's all over Oz...then we wouldnt have to go chasing for it!
The local HBS here has Neo Pink which is apparently really good...Im just gonna stick with using Napi-San...havent had any issues with it & it lasts a while...espcially if you get the big container!

After using sodium met. for my first 12 brews, i decided to research alternatives to reduce the cost of cleaning fermenters and bottles, as sodium met. costs $ 8 per 500 gram bag and only does around 4 or 5 brews.I googled sodium percarbonate and found a heap of positive information on the use of this stuff.It's cheap at 5 bucks for a kilo and is a fungicide,germ killing agent as well as a bleach.It is also biodegradable , so it won't impact on the environment.So, i'm going to give it a try and see how i go.

mark68 wrote:After using sodium met. for my first 12 brews, i decided to research alternatives to reduce the cost of cleaning fermenters and bottles, as sodium met. costs $ 8 per 500 gram bag and only does around 4 or 5 brews.I googled sodium percarbonate and found a heap of positive information on the use of this stuff.It's cheap at 5 bucks for a kilo and is a fungicide,germ killing agent as well as a bleach.It is also biodegradable , so it won't impact on the environment.So, i'm going to give it a try and see how i go.

Home brand Napi-San is the ducks Mark IMHO!

i just looked up the definition of sanitise on dictionary.com " make sanitary by cleaning or sterilizing "