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Posted: Thursday Jan 04, 2007 11:00 pm
by youbrewty
ok i will add some hops to the next one
how much extra dextrose would i add to increase the alochol without ruining the taste? Having it a bit drier would probably do it some good
the batch is a standard 22L
cheers

Posted: Friday Jan 05, 2007 11:19 am
by Cortez The Killer
I put this down

1 can Coopers Mexican Cerveza
200g Dextrose
500g Candy Sugar
250g Maltodextrin
250g Light Dried Malt Extract
100g Carapils
10g Cascade Hops (15mins)
10g Cascade Hops (Flameout)

I might have to try one and see where its up to

Also candy sugar is fun to make

Notes are here http://hyperfox.info/beer01.htm#19

Posted: Friday Jan 05, 2007 11:38 am
by youbrewty
wat is the differnece between maltodextrin and dextrose?

Posted: Friday Jan 05, 2007 11:41 am
by scblack
youbrewty wrote:wat is the differnece between maltodextrin and dextrose?
Dextrose is fully fermentable, and adds no flavours to a beer. No body either. Basically adds alcohol content.

Maltodextrin is also known as Corn Syrup. It adds some flavour and body but is not fully fermentable. I think also helps with head retention.

Posted: Friday Jan 05, 2007 11:44 am
by youbrewty
oh ok
does maltodextrin affect the alcohol content at all?
would a mexican cerveza with
brew enhancer 2
200g dextrose
200g maltodextrin
turn out ok or wood ther b too much sugar?

Posted: Friday Jan 05, 2007 12:05 pm
by scblack
youbrewty wrote:oh ok
does maltodextrin affect the alcohol content at all?
would a mexican cerveza with
brew enhancer 2
200g dextrose
200g maltodextrin
turn out ok or wood ther b too much sugar?
Maltodextrin does affect alcohol, but not completely like Dextrose.

That recipe would be fine. I regularly add up to 1.75kg of extra sugars/malts.

I'd suggest giving a go with:
Mex cerveza
BE#2
500gm Coopers Light Dry Malt.

Posted: Friday Jan 05, 2007 12:48 pm
by Shaun
From memory maltodextrin/corn syrup is about 70% fermentable. Anymore than 500g and it can start to effect the flavour though.

Posted: Friday Jan 05, 2007 1:52 pm
by youbrewty
That recipe would be fine. I regularly add up to 1.75kg of extra sugars/malts

scblack your brew must have a very high alcohol content with that amount of extra sugar. How does it affect the taste?

Posted: Friday Jan 05, 2007 1:53 pm
by youbrewty
lol sorry didnt no how to quote properly hahaha

Posted: Friday Jan 05, 2007 2:32 pm
by scblack
Here's a recent recipe for a Steam Mexican:

Coopers Mexican Cerveza
CB Euro sugar 1kg (600g light malt, 200g lactose, 200g dextrose)
Coopers Light Dry Malt 500gm
250gm dextrose
Saflager s-23 yeast 11.5gm
Dry enzyme
Cascade 12g hops bag dry hopped with yeast (Country Brewer)

Steam means it is a Lager yeast brewed at Ale temperatures of 16-18 degrees. Thanks to Ed for that.

Came to 5.8%, a great beer, probably my most successful.

As for taste, with the dry enzyme, plenty of Malt and bit of Lactose the extra alcohol content was not noticeable at all.

Posted: Friday Jan 05, 2007 2:36 pm
by scblack
But I should add I rarely add more than 1.5kg of readily fermentable sugars.

Lactose does not ferment at all.

The Dry Malt I am pretty sure ferments about 80%.

I generally aim at about 4.8-5.2%.

Posted: Wednesday Jan 10, 2007 12:08 am
by youbrewty
hey all
iv bought ingredients to make a coopers stout was thinking along the lines of:
1kg brew enhancer 2
250g light dry malt
250g coppers brewing sugar

i thought id add more sugar than usual because it is a stout. Would that b the correct thing to do or wood this end in a disaster?
by the way what would a decent final gravity be for this kind of mix?
Is it true that stouts have a far higher FG reading than most beers due to there thickness?
cheers.

Posted: Wednesday Jan 10, 2007 7:25 am
by scblack
youbrewty wrote:hey all
iv bought ingredients to make a coopers stout was thinking along the lines of:
1kg brew enhancer 2
250g light dry malt
250g coppers brewing sugar

i thought id add more sugar than usual because it is a stout. Would that b the correct thing to do or wood this end in a disaster?
by the way what would a decent final gravity be for this kind of mix?
Is it true that stouts have a far higher FG reading than most beers due to there thickness?
cheers.
Don't know, I have never actually brewed a stout.

But why are you asking a stout question in a Mexican Cerveza thread?

Posted: Wednesday Jan 10, 2007 9:17 am
by Cortez The Killer
I answered this here http://www.aussiehomebrewer.com/forum/i ... ntry178017

Cheers
youbrewty wrote:hey all
iv bought ingredients to make a coopers stout was thinking along the lines of:
1kg brew enhancer 2
250g light dry malt
250g coppers brewing sugar

i thought id add more sugar than usual because it is a stout. Would that b the correct thing to do or wood this end in a disaster?
by the way what would a decent final gravity be for this kind of mix?
Is it true that stouts have a far higher FG reading than most beers due to there thickness?
cheers.

Posted: Wednesday Jan 10, 2007 9:33 am
by Cortez The Killer
I have tried a couple of bottles and have got some opinions on this one

While you could probably very easily tell the difference between this and corona - that's no a bad thing :lol:

The beer is very nice and the candy sugar came up a treat - they are no cidery notes what so ever

The beer is light on body / but still has more than corona.

It is very easy drinking and the cascade is fairly noticeable. The bitterness will probably dissipate / mellow slightly which is normal for US hops.

It has a pleasant floral aroma

All in all a nice quaffing beer - mind you the a/c % would be in the 5's

I'll have to try one with lemon

and now it's time for a david brent quote

“You name something and I’ll tell you an interesting fact about it. Sort of trivia or something.”
“What sort of thing?”
“Anything!”
“...cows?”
“Cows. Cows have got four stomachs. Alright? You said cows. Choose anything.”
“Lemons?”
“Lemons?!”
“Well I can choose something else-”
“No you said lemons, er, pound for pound there’s more sugar in a lemon than in a strawberry.”


Cheers


Cortez The Killer wrote:I put this down

1 can Coopers Mexican Cerveza
200g Dextrose
500g Candy Sugar
250g Maltodextrin
250g Light Dried Malt Extract
100g Carapils
10g Cascade Hops (15mins)
10g Cascade Hops (Flameout)

I might have to try one and see where its up to

Also candy sugar is fun to make

Notes are here http://hyperfox.info/beer01.htm#19

Posted: Sunday Jan 21, 2007 1:35 pm
by Longrasser
:cry: Heard so many bad things bout this brew am relunctant to crack one of mine
Its had 1 week prmary 1 week second 180 dex prime and over a month in the bottle
Better I leave it fer another months?
Oh.... kit + kilo of dex wasnt aware of coops brew #2 then.

Posted: Thursday Jan 25, 2007 10:05 am
by Barney
Longrasser wrote::cry: Heard so many bad things bout this brew am relunctant to crack one of mine
Its had 1 week prmary 1 week second 180 dex prime and over a month in the bottle
Better I leave it fer another months?
Oh.... kit + kilo of dex wasnt aware of coops brew #2 then.
Leave it a while longer... I did a Coopers Cerveza as my second brew 12 months ago, with BE2... might've been a bit hot to be doing it, as it had a fruity, bitter aftertaste for the first couple (started cracking them after 2 weeks in the bottle)... the last half-dozen (three months later) were a pleasure to drink.

Starting to think I'll drop another one of these in (with a few variations) once the summer swelter passes.

Posted: Sunday Jan 28, 2007 12:37 pm
by Longrasser
Well missus and I cracked one and agree is nice enough after 6 weeks in the bottle but will leave it a tad longer
Probably could use some cascade ,
BE2 and perhaps 500mg dex to give it a bit more boot?

Have Coopers pale ale in the secondary at the mo BE2 and 500mg ldme

Am having fun and getting good results nice clear grog even when chilled

Have got three carboys on the go fulltime plus one dedicated priming bottler tub.

Pity no Grumpys to try. :cry: