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Q 4 UC1

Posted: Friday Oct 21, 2005 10:13 pm
by Tipsy
Need a little help on my first cider Undercover 1 (I did use the search)
I've decided to do an all juice cider with 18ltrs apple juice, some dex (how much?) Lactose (how much?) Champagne yeast (what temperature?)
I do like a dry cider and was looking for a pretty high alc content (have a score to settle) I'm not adding any other flavours as it's my 1st cider.
You are to cider what dogger is to honey.

Cheers

Posted: Saturday Oct 22, 2005 10:49 pm
by Chris
I'm not UC1, but I have done some good ciders. ! recipe for a nice dry cider is:

18L fresh pressed apple juice
1.5kg dextrose
500g LME
125g lactose
3 large, cored and peeled granny smiths, cut up and put in a stocking.
2 cinnamon sticks
a few pieces of ginger
juice of half a lemon

For a lighter body in the cider, leave out the malt. It is beautiful with it though.

Posted: Sunday Oct 23, 2005 9:02 am
by undercover1
Go a kilo of dex, and at least 500g of lactose. Champagne yeast is happy in similar temp ranges to ale yeast- 15-20oC or so.
Enjoy!

Posted: Sunday Oct 23, 2005 6:40 pm
by Tipsy
Cheers guys,
I'll stick with UC1's recommendation for my first one then head out into the world of adding other flavours. :) Chris, yours sounds great except for the ginger (Can't stomach the stuff) Cinnamon's the go though.

Posted: Monday Oct 24, 2005 9:01 am
by undercover1
Just had a proper read of Chris' recipe, look good to me, though I wouln't bother adding the chopped apples to an all-juice. Squeeze or two of lemon juice is always a good idea.

Posted: Thursday Nov 10, 2005 10:19 pm
by Tipsy
Put down my cider 5 days ago, seems to be going quite nicely. Question is, is it worth racking or not? I do with all my beer but the cider doesn't have much yeast cake (I know its early days).

Posted: Thursday Nov 10, 2005 11:06 pm
by Chris
UC1, the Grannies add a bit of crispness to the flavour- especially if you don't know the age of your "fresh" pressed juice. I also use Grannies, as they give a little bit of tartness to the cider, along with the lemon.

Tipsy, RACK!!! The I usually have my cider in primary for 5-7 days, but have racked for up to 2 months. In my opinion, it is well worth it- having tried it with and without.

Posted: Friday Nov 11, 2005 3:52 pm
by Tipsy
Chris wrote:Tipsy, RACK!!! The I usually have my cider in primary for 5-7 days, but have racked for up to 2 months. In my opinion, it is well worth it- having tried it with and without.
Cheers Chris,
Will do.
Tips

Q 4 UC1

Posted: Monday Nov 06, 2006 2:21 pm
by jase
tipsy, lovage has got to be the greatest "trip hop" album released in years.mike patton is a genius and loves his home brew to apparantly

Re: Q 4 UC1

Posted: Monday Nov 06, 2006 7:31 pm
by Tipsy
jase wrote:tipsy, lovage has got to be the greatest "trip hop" album released in years.mike patton is a genius and loves his home brew to apparantly
I hate to count how many brews I've drunk to that album :)

Posted: Monday Nov 06, 2006 11:34 pm
by Sy is Rad
Mike Patton is God!!!!!!!

Sy is Rad can't get enough of the following......

Kaada and Patton, Patton V Xecutioners, Suspended animation... California, bungle,

I even am realy digging Peeping Tom even if he has an ordinary crack at playing the Bass on a few tracks!

Does he really like H Brew?

Can't wait to see him in Aus, I'm a Patton virgin!

Posted: Saturday Nov 11, 2006 9:33 pm
by Lord Azrael
bit late for this question, but better late than never :P

Tipsy, i'm assuming your recipe was just the straight apple juice, no kit?

you need nutrient in this too or does champagne yeast work without it?

Posted: Tuesday Nov 14, 2006 7:13 pm
by Tipsy
I didn't use a nutrient, the recipe was
19lts apple juice
300g lme
1kg dex
250g lactose
1 cinnamon stick

It was way too dry, if I try it again I will at the very least double the lactose (maybe triple)

Edit: to answer the question the champagne yeast worked well on its own

Posted: Wednesday Nov 15, 2006 11:38 am
by Lord Azrael
could only get a white wine yeast, so i grabbed some nutrient just incase (can't hurt right?) will be putting it down tonight

16L Juice (12-apple, 4-apple and pear)
1kg Dex
500g Lactose (as you said yours was too dry)
and another 2L water to boil up the sugars

will post the OG and recipe in a new thread after it's made

Posted: Thursday Nov 16, 2006 4:18 pm
by Tipsy
let me know how it tastes Az.
I want to do another cider but I don't want it that dry again. The pear sounds good.

Posted: Thursday Nov 16, 2006 7:32 pm
by Lord Azrael
as i said in the other thread, from what i used to check the SG it's tasting freakin awesome

Being a huge strongbow fan, i'm pretty sure its the pear that makes it ;)