I don't wanna get into a big debate here- this idiot did the crime, but he's not being asked to do the time. He's been sent a letter telling him he's gonna hang on Friday. That sucks.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/ ... 47451.html
Could be worse- he could have been caught in Texas instead of Singapore, and had the same result; http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/a ... 47179.html
I still remember the day that Barlow & Chambers got hung. Two of the biggest losers you could ever hope to meet, but still didn't feel like the right thing to be doing to them.
Capital punishmnet
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undercover1
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Capital punishmnet
Salut!
Re: Capital punishmnet
UC1,undercover1 wrote:I don't wanna get into a big debate here- this idiot did the crime, but he's not being asked to do the time. He's been sent a letter telling him he's gonna hang on Friday. That sucks.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/ ... 47451.html
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It's a bit difficult not to kick off a debate about an issue like this.
For mine, what really sucks is the loss of a friend to the crap this arsehole was trying to bring into the country.
Are we supposed to feel compassion for this man?
Not bloody likely.
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Yardie, I lost a few friends to that evil shit myself, and the AIDS that rides the dirty needle. Point taken.
No, not asking you to feel compassion...I just don't understand how a nation can step up and take the life of anybody- their citizen, our citizen, whoever- unless in time of war.
If there is one person on earth who could do with a cold HB around lunchtime on Friday, it's Nguyen.
No, not asking you to feel compassion...I just don't understand how a nation can step up and take the life of anybody- their citizen, our citizen, whoever- unless in time of war.
If there is one person on earth who could do with a cold HB around lunchtime on Friday, it's Nguyen.
Salut!
I'm a believer that if you do the crime, you do the time!
However I don't believe in an eye for an eye type mentality.
ultimately his suffering will have been short lived, a few weeks waiting, then the long painful walk to the gallows. His family however will suffer for the rest of their lives. Surely if he is to suffer then a long prison term is another alternative.
just my thoughts
However I don't believe in an eye for an eye type mentality.
ultimately his suffering will have been short lived, a few weeks waiting, then the long painful walk to the gallows. His family however will suffer for the rest of their lives. Surely if he is to suffer then a long prison term is another alternative.
just my thoughts
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IMHO Capital punishment is wrong.. period..
No chance of reprieve...
No chance of rehabilitation
and when can you be 100% sure some one is guilty...
While yes, I agree that this man's actions make him little better than a killer, he has been very co-operative...
what annoys me even more is the governments continued lack of care... first Hicks, now this... Makes me think about becoming a Kiwi...
No chance of reprieve...
No chance of rehabilitation
and when can you be 100% sure some one is guilty...
While yes, I agree that this man's actions make him little better than a killer, he has been very co-operative...
what annoys me even more is the governments continued lack of care... first Hicks, now this... Makes me think about becoming a Kiwi...
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That country has no sense of humour over things like that. Everyone knows it. Sorry guys, what did you think was going to happen.
Watched to many friends go the way of Dusty Death.
Seen a couple of them looking for the Midnight Express too.
It isn't my country and I am not about to tell people how to run their lives in it no matter how I feel.
Sorry for his luck though
Dogger
Watched to many friends go the way of Dusty Death.
Seen a couple of them looking for the Midnight Express too.
It isn't my country and I am not about to tell people how to run their lives in it no matter how I feel.
Sorry for his luck though
Dogger
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Capital punishment is barbaric. I don't believe in it. Ever.
In any case, of the ways of being executed, hanging must surely be the most disgusting (apart from, perhaps, the electric chair or a firing squad, which nine Australians are facing in Indonesia at the moment).
People say "We need the death penalty, because it deters drug smugglers." Well, obviously it doesn't. If it did, our poor Australian mate would not be hanging on Friday. (And think, it obviously doesn't deter murderers in the US.)
People say, "He made his own choice, his drug smuggling brought death and misery to addicts." Well, they made their choices, too.
Dogger, you ask "what did he think was going to happen?". He didn't think anything was going to happen. He's a mule, not a drug baron. Whoever put him up to it would have said, "Don't worry, mate, no one ever gets caught."
His crime doesn't fit his punishment. People that commit crimes that carry the death penalty, or even life in prison, don't think of the punishment when they carry out their crime. They think that they (a) won't get caught; or (b) don't care if they do.
Think about how the archaic, barbaric way this man is going to die. Think about his family. And tell me it's right, regardless of his crime. I wouldn't wish it on Osama bin Laden. I wouldn't wish it on Saddam Hussein. And I certainly don't wish it on Nguyen Tuong Van.
It makes me feel sick thinking about what's in store for this poor young man.
But also, let's spare a thought for the someone who will be executed in the US this week, becoming the 1000th person executed since capital punishment was reinstated in the 1970s. And let's not forget that in that time more than 100 people have been taken off death row because of doubt about their guilt.
Oliver
In any case, of the ways of being executed, hanging must surely be the most disgusting (apart from, perhaps, the electric chair or a firing squad, which nine Australians are facing in Indonesia at the moment).
People say "We need the death penalty, because it deters drug smugglers." Well, obviously it doesn't. If it did, our poor Australian mate would not be hanging on Friday. (And think, it obviously doesn't deter murderers in the US.)
People say, "He made his own choice, his drug smuggling brought death and misery to addicts." Well, they made their choices, too.
Dogger, you ask "what did he think was going to happen?". He didn't think anything was going to happen. He's a mule, not a drug baron. Whoever put him up to it would have said, "Don't worry, mate, no one ever gets caught."
His crime doesn't fit his punishment. People that commit crimes that carry the death penalty, or even life in prison, don't think of the punishment when they carry out their crime. They think that they (a) won't get caught; or (b) don't care if they do.
Think about how the archaic, barbaric way this man is going to die. Think about his family. And tell me it's right, regardless of his crime. I wouldn't wish it on Osama bin Laden. I wouldn't wish it on Saddam Hussein. And I certainly don't wish it on Nguyen Tuong Van.
It makes me feel sick thinking about what's in store for this poor young man.
But also, let's spare a thought for the someone who will be executed in the US this week, becoming the 1000th person executed since capital punishment was reinstated in the 1970s. And let's not forget that in that time more than 100 people have been taken off death row because of doubt about their guilt.
Oliver
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Oliver,
People must take responsibility for their lives
Even I know running drugs into that country is a dumb idea.
And yes I do believe in the Death Penalty. Anyone who had to wittness Paul Bernardo or Karla Halmocha (sp) could not believe otherwise.
Do I believe it right to kill a mule, no, but it isn't my country is it? I have enough problems keeping this one afloat.
Not trying to convince anyone one way or another because I don't want too and everone needs an informed opinion and I respect all of you for yours.
No hard feelings guys
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People must take responsibility for their lives
Even I know running drugs into that country is a dumb idea.
And yes I do believe in the Death Penalty. Anyone who had to wittness Paul Bernardo or Karla Halmocha (sp) could not believe otherwise.
Do I believe it right to kill a mule, no, but it isn't my country is it? I have enough problems keeping this one afloat.
Not trying to convince anyone one way or another because I don't want too and everone needs an informed opinion and I respect all of you for yours.
No hard feelings guys
Dogger
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I agree with DD, everyone should know the consequences of running drugs in these countries. If you are stupid enough to take the risk of making some big dollars, then you are also stupid enough to take the risk of death if you are caught.
I do not agree with capital punishment, but I do agree that you must stand by the laws of the country you are in, wether that be Singapore, Bali or anywhere else in the world.
And while we are at it, let's not forget, America (Setting the moral standards for the world) still puts criminals to death. On average 300 per year.
I do not agree with capital punishment, but I do agree that you must stand by the laws of the country you are in, wether that be Singapore, Bali or anywhere else in the world.
And while we are at it, let's not forget, America (Setting the moral standards for the world) still puts criminals to death. On average 300 per year.
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That's sort of my point. Everyone knows the consequences but people still do it, so what point is there in killing someone to deter others when the deterrent obviously doesn't work?
I agree that people should take responsibility for their own actions (including the drug users who know that a potential consequence of taking drugs is death), but that doesn't mean I think that capital punishment is ever OK.
Oliver
I agree that people should take responsibility for their own actions (including the drug users who know that a potential consequence of taking drugs is death), but that doesn't mean I think that capital punishment is ever OK.
Oliver
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Chaps,
Lets not forget that drink driving, adultery, posession of small quantities of drugs, minor theft and even drinking alcohol itself can be a capital offence in some countries (and some of those used to be capital offences in the UK, a hundred or so years ago).
How can we respect the justice system of nations that take it upon themselves to end someone's life for activities like the above?
Like Oliver said, capital punishment obviously doesn't deter anyone from trafficking drugs. Its the ultimate quick-fix solution for problems that should be dealt with in an entirley different manner.
BM
Lets not forget that drink driving, adultery, posession of small quantities of drugs, minor theft and even drinking alcohol itself can be a capital offence in some countries (and some of those used to be capital offences in the UK, a hundred or so years ago).
How can we respect the justice system of nations that take it upon themselves to end someone's life for activities like the above?
Like Oliver said, capital punishment obviously doesn't deter anyone from trafficking drugs. Its the ultimate quick-fix solution for problems that should be dealt with in an entirley different manner.
BM
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Well, this comment from my original post looks like wishful thinking-
You would think that some of these idiots would have got the message by now.
And I see yet another of our compatriots has been busted overseas- http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/aus ... 95296.htmlI don't wanna get into a big debate here
You would think that some of these idiots would have got the message by now.
Salut!
I just cannot get over the stupidity of some people nor can I understand governments who want to execute the mules. Mind you it is a good deterent!
What everyone should be doing is finding out who the bigwigs are and then arrest them. Then, instead of executing them start injecting them with the heroin. When they are hooked and wanting there next hit, make them go of it cold turkey and experience what the junkies go thru. When they are off it and their addiction isn't there start the whole process over again.
Much, much worse than execuiting them and it would then make them suffer in direct proportion to the junkies.
What everyone should be doing is finding out who the bigwigs are and then arrest them. Then, instead of executing them start injecting them with the heroin. When they are hooked and wanting there next hit, make them go of it cold turkey and experience what the junkies go thru. When they are off it and their addiction isn't there start the whole process over again.
Much, much worse than execuiting them and it would then make them suffer in direct proportion to the junkies.
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> Like Oliver said, capital punishment obviously doesn't deter anyone from trafficking drugs.
Not necessarily true. More correct would be "capital punishment obviously doesn't deter EVERYONE from trafficking drugs". But maybe it DOES deter some, and maybe it even deters a lot. And maybe more people will live longer because of this.
Not necessarily true. More correct would be "capital punishment obviously doesn't deter EVERYONE from trafficking drugs". But maybe it DOES deter some, and maybe it even deters a lot. And maybe more people will live longer because of this.
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Maybe what I should have said was:
Capital punishment overseas (and long gaol terms here) do not deter enough people from attempting to traffic drugs to prevent a multi-million dollar black market in heroin in Australia, plus hundreds of ODs resulting in death every year.
If people are dying and fat cats are getting rich, is the deterrent successful?
BM
Capital punishment overseas (and long gaol terms here) do not deter enough people from attempting to traffic drugs to prevent a multi-million dollar black market in heroin in Australia, plus hundreds of ODs resulting in death every year.
If people are dying and fat cats are getting rich, is the deterrent successful?
BM
I feel sorry for his mother. BUT, he was well aware of what he was doing and the consequences that awaited him should he be caught. He stood to make a great deal of money from his little trip, and has in all likelyhood done so before. Hope it helped him get over his guilt when my brother in law stood in a needle or some poor kid cops hep C or aids from a needlestick.
Nowadays it seems ok to shirk the consequences of your actions and blame everything but yourself. You play with matches, you get burned.
As for a minutes silence, you must be in cloud cuckoo land if you think anybody with even a quarter of a brain would afford this clown the same mark of respect we give for the men who made this society, as opposed to someone helping to destroy it.
Nowadays it seems ok to shirk the consequences of your actions and blame everything but yourself. You play with matches, you get burned.
As for a minutes silence, you must be in cloud cuckoo land if you think anybody with even a quarter of a brain would afford this clown the same mark of respect we give for the men who made this society, as opposed to someone helping to destroy it.
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I suppose with anything you have for and against.
To those who have some sympathy/compassion for this man, I'd like to ask you just how close you have come to Heroin ?
Here's the real deal.... my friend, a small town boy who never hurt any bastard, stuck this shit in his arm and within a year he killed himself.
Try to imagine his thinking at the time, when the Police found his car in the bush it was empty except for an unopened bottle of Poison.
Two days later after searching the area to no avail, someone decided to look up.
My mate that I'd known almost all my life, had torn his clothes into a strips, made a makeshift rope, climbed a tree and hung himself.
I was overseas at the time but a mutual friend was actually out with the Police searching and had to witness this himself.
Yes, he had the choice to not do it.
Exactly the same bloody choice this bastard had.
Ironic they should both end up the same don't you think ?
Only difference is, my friend died alone.
Yardglass.
To those who have some sympathy/compassion for this man, I'd like to ask you just how close you have come to Heroin ?
Here's the real deal.... my friend, a small town boy who never hurt any bastard, stuck this shit in his arm and within a year he killed himself.
Try to imagine his thinking at the time, when the Police found his car in the bush it was empty except for an unopened bottle of Poison.
Two days later after searching the area to no avail, someone decided to look up.
My mate that I'd known almost all my life, had torn his clothes into a strips, made a makeshift rope, climbed a tree and hung himself.
I was overseas at the time but a mutual friend was actually out with the Police searching and had to witness this himself.
Yes, he had the choice to not do it.
Exactly the same bloody choice this bastard had.
Ironic they should both end up the same don't you think ?
Only difference is, my friend died alone.
Yardglass.
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Lebowski,Lebowski wrote:May sound harsh but I'd rather see some people put to death than waste resources keeping them alive in prison for life.
This is an often-used argument, but experience in other countries is that by the time they spend countless years housing a prisoner on death row and exhausting all legal avenues, it actually would have been cheaper to lock them up and throw away the key and let them live out the term of their natural lives.
Obviously this is not true in places such as Singapore and other Asian countries, where most people are executed without a fair trial (usually due to inadequate legal representation).
And it's certainly not true in China, where when someone is found guilty they just take them out the back and top them. And then charge the family for the bullet.
Oliver