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Kirin Ichiban (First Press Beer)

Posted: Thursday Feb 08, 2007 7:59 pm
by buscador
seen and read so many recipes for kirin lager

but im after the best kirin they make

Ichiban (#1)

if you have any recipes or any ways to go about scrapping it together
hook me up please!

thanks again

b

Posted: Friday Feb 09, 2007 5:39 pm
by buscador
14 views and no response??

surely this forum can do better than that...

b

Posted: Friday Feb 09, 2007 6:20 pm
by Pale_Ale
Sorry, but your cheque bounced this month :P

Posted: Friday Feb 09, 2007 6:42 pm
by buscador
is this an aussie / yank thing?

man, i eat vegemite, drink coopers, piss homebrew...

what more do you want?

b

**i'm up for suggestions on this one**

Posted: Friday Feb 09, 2007 10:52 pm
by l'orange
Rice... thats going to be your key ingredient in the beer, for kirin expecially. Now kirin is quite a sweet beer with a faint bitterness, and as far as i remember little hop aroma/flavour. So i'm going to presume your going for a kit so my suggestion would be:

Go a canadian Kit i think, maybe something more malt driven, but i cant think what... definatley something with little bitterness.
Extra Pale malt
Rice extract/syrup
Use some light crstal or carapils to add sweetness
Use w34/70 if dry yeast or if liquid something that give sa very malt driven, harldy fruity or estery, and little hop flavour

And maybe boil the kit, killing off the hop flavour and aroma, and add maybe a tiny tiny bit of some sort of spicy hop... maybe spalt or tettnanger... but i have to stress not much!

Good luck... Give a search for asahi/ tsingtao/ kirin and dont use any dry enzyme.

Posted: Friday Feb 09, 2007 11:10 pm
by Pale_Ale
I'd go something like

Coopers lager
500g LDME
500g dex
Rice syrup
2 x saflager 34/70

Posted: Saturday Feb 10, 2007 12:27 pm
by afromaiko
The Clone Brews book has a recipe for Kirin Lager, it can be bought from Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Clone-Brews-Homeb ... 580170773/

There are extract, partial and all grain recipes.

There is also a recipe for Asahi Dry Draft Beer and Sapporo Black Stout Draft... (and also one for Tsing Tao)

After a long fermentation and lagering at cold temps I finally bottled my first Kirin yesterday (extract recipe), so it will be a few weeks before I can judge how it turns out. I used 500gms malted rice syrup as per the recipe and available from Coles.

Keep in mind that this recipe says 'Kirin Lager' which is supposedly a different beer from 'Kirin Ichiban'. But I've tasted both store bought ones back to back and couldn't tell any difference. Perhaps just more hops in Ichiban.

The 'first press' or 'first runnings' is probably more of a gimmick than anything, and unless you are going all grain not something you have any control over. If you really wanted to make it true to the 'Ichiban' spirit, you'd prob need to up your grain amount to compensate.

Also.. wait until winter or otherwise you'll need a brew fridge to keep the temps down. I made an Asahi a few months back at too warm a temp and it's like drinking medicine. But.. alcoholic medicine, so I persist :)

Posted: Saturday Feb 10, 2007 7:36 pm
by tazman67
I used a Muntons Blonde for my Asahi clone, ditched the yeast, and used Saflager 34/70

Posted: Monday Feb 12, 2007 9:28 am
by afromaiko
tazman67 wrote:I used a Muntons Blonde for my Asahi clone, ditched the yeast, and used Saflager W-34/70
Yep, I second the 34/70... or if you are using liquid try the Wyeast 2007 Pilsen Lager Yeast.

Don't use the S-23 unless that's all you can find, it's too fruity for this.

Posted: Thursday Mar 01, 2007 12:38 pm
by afromaiko
Just a quick update - the Kirin is ready and I've drunk a few bottles of it. I haven't had any store bought Kirin Ichiban (my usual fave Asian beer) or Kirin Lager for a couple of months, but this tastes like Kirin to me.

I think I'll be making this regularly from now on, and perhaps even attempt the partial recipe sometime too, just for interest's sake. But I think the extract recipe from "Clone Brews" is darn fine as is..