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Hi Guy's, just after some thoughts on this recipe, wanted to do another recipe using all simcoe.

Pale ale
Brew Type: All Grain Date: 24/10/2007
Style: American Pale Ale
Batch Size: 22.00 L
Boil Volume: 25.18 L Boil Time: 60 min
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.0 % Equipment: My Equipment

Ingredients Amount Item Type % or IBU
4.00 kg Pale Malt (2 Row) US (3.9 EBC) Grain 72.5 %
1.00 kg Vienna Malt (6.9 EBC) Grain 18.1 %
0.50 kg Wheat Malt, Ger (3.9 EBC) Grain 9.1 %
0.02 kg Chocolate Malt (886.5 EBC) Grain 0.4 %
25.00 gm Simcoe [11.90%] (60 min) Hops 31.1 IBU
10.00 gm Simcoe [11.90%] (5 min) Hops 2.5 IBU
20.00 gm Simcoe [11.90%] (60 min) (Aroma Hop-Steep) Hops -
1 Pkgs American Ale (Wyeast Labs #1056) Yeast-Ale

Beer Profile Estimated Original Gravity: 1.057 SG
Estimated Final Gravity: 1.014 SG
Estimated Color: 12.4 EBC (9.9-27.6 EBC)
Bitterness: 33.6 IBU (30.0-50.0 IBU) Alpha Acid Units: 1.8 AAU
Estimated Alcohol by Volume: 5.7 % (4.5-6.0 %)


Mash Profile Name: Single Infusion, Medium Body Mash Tun Weight: 0.00 kg
Mash Grain Weight: 5.52 kg Mash PH: 5.4 PH
Grain Temperature: 22.2 C Sparge Temperature: 75.6 C
Sparge Water: 8.25 L Adjust Temp for Equipment: FALSE

Name Description Step Temp Step Time
Mash In Add 14.40 L of water at 74.4 C 67.8 C 60 min
Mash Out Add 8.06 L of water at 91.5 C 75.6 C 10 min

More of a question that a comment on your recipe - and given i have only made 5 AGs to date i cant comment with any real experience.

Except to say that i love Munich. So i was wondering why you have chosen vienna? Munich adds a nice maltyness to ales that i think balances out the extra bitterness and hoppiness in APAs. What does vienna add? I am yet to use it.

Just my 2 c.
Cheers
DrSmurto

I Dr, that is worth more than 2c and is exactly the kind of feedback i was after, i wanted some more rich malt flavours in the beer, and have heard that vienna can do this for a pils. I've used it in mils before and loved the smell, and have noted it being used in many a german lager for its malt.

But if Munich is better, than i'll run that instead, as i've heard similar things, wold a kilo be enough to notice it?

Cheers heaps.

In this case I would use Munich, Vienna is usually used as the base malt and Munich added with that for Bock's etc.

1kg of munich would work well IMHO.

Agree with Kev, had a look thru beersmith grains and it suggest vienna os more for lager than ales.

Having another look thru your recipe you have only one addiotn other than the bittering addition. Do you think this will give you enough flavour? Is this an APA, IPA? You could shift some of the bittering hops to a 20 min addition for more flavour.

Not trying to hijack your thread mate but as an example this is what i have pencilled in for this weekend. This is an obviously hoppy APA so maybe not what you are after but i find that for a hop flavour to come thru you really need ot add a good whack in the 20 - 5 min time frame.

Recipe Specifications
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Batch Size: 20.00 L
Boil Size: 21.93 L
Estimated OG: 1.051 SG
Estimated Color: 14.1 EBC
Estimated IBU: 34.6 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amount Item Type % or IBU
3.00 kg Pale Malt, Traditional Ale (Joe White) (5.Grain 69.77 %
1.00 kg Munich I (Weyermann) (14.0 EBC) Grain 23.26 %
0.30 kg Caramalt (Joe White) (49.3 EBC) Grain 6.98 %
12.00 gm Northern Brewer [9.10 %] (60 min) Hops 13.0 IBU
15.00 gm Chinook [12.40 %] (15 min) Hops 11.0 IBU
14.00 gm Cascade [6.70 %] (15 min) Hops 5.1 IBU
12.00 gm Chinook [12.40 %] (5 min) Hops 3.5 IBU
14.00 gm Cascade [6.70 %] (5 min) Hops 2.0 IBU
14.00 gm Cascade [6.70 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops -
14.00 gm Chinook [12.40 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops -
0.50 items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 min) Misc
1 Pkgs American Ale (Wyeast Labs #1056) [Starter Yeast-Ale

Nah this is all great advice, i'll switch around the hop rates, drop the initial hopping to half and add some more at the 20min mark.

Cheers again.

new bill

Amount Item Type % or IBU
4.00 kg Pale Malt (2 Row) US (3.9 EBC) Grain 72.6 %
1.00 kg Munich Malt (17.7 EBC) Grain 18.1 %
0.50 kg Wheat Malt, Ger (3.9 EBC) Grain 9.1 %
0.01 kg Chocolate Malt (886.5 EBC) Grain 0.2 %
15.00 gm Simcoe [11.90%] (60 min) Hops 18.6 IBU
15.00 gm Simcoe [11.90%] (20 min) Hops 11.3 IBU
10.00 gm Simcoe [11.90%] (5 min) Hops 2.5 IBU
20.00 gm Simcoe [11.90%] (60 min) (Aroma Hop-Steep) Hops -
1 Pkgs American Ale (Wyeast Labs #1056) Yeast-Ale

Not used simcoe before so please let me know how this turns out.

Cant believe you are taking advice from a couple of AG novices!

Can you post the entire recipe including volumes, anticipated colour, IBUs et etc?

I want to add it into my future brew database!

Haha, mate i'll still consider myself a novice!!

I get great results consistantly from following others recipes, but when it comes to crafting recipes, i'm very green.

I love simcoe, has a spicy pine/citrus aroma and a sweet almost grapefruit like bitterness, i cant get enough of it!

Full recipe...

Pale ale
Brew Type: All Grain Date: 24/10/2007
Style: American Pale Ale Brewer:
Batch Size: 22.00 L Assistant Brewer:
Boil Volume: 25.18 L Boil Time: 60 min
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.0 % Equipment: My Equipment
Actual Efficiency: 13.1 %
Taste Rating (50 possible points): 35.0

Ingredients Amount Item Type % or IBU
4.00 kg Pale Malt (2 Row) US (3.9 EBC) Grain 72.6 %
1.00 kg Munich Malt (17.7 EBC) Grain 18.1 %
0.50 kg Wheat Malt, Ger (3.9 EBC) Grain 9.1 %
0.01 kg Chocolate Malt (886.5 EBC) Grain 0.2 %
15.00 gm Simcoe [11.90%] (60 min) Hops 18.6 IBU
15.00 gm Simcoe [11.90%] (20 min) Hops 11.3 IBU
10.00 gm Simcoe [11.90%] (5 min) Hops 2.5 IBU
20.00 gm Simcoe [11.90%] (60 min) (Aroma Hop-Steep) Hops -
1 Pkgs American Ale (Wyeast Labs #1056) Yeast-Ale

Beer Profile Estimated Original Gravity: 1.057 SG (1.045-1.060 SG) Measured Original Gravity: 1.010 SG
Estimated Final Gravity: 1.014 SG (1.010-1.015 SG) Measured Final Gravity: 1.005 SG
Estimated Color: 12.8 EBC (9.9-27.6 EBC) Color [Color]
Bitterness: 32.4 IBU (30.0-50.0 IBU) Alpha Acid Units: 2.2 AAU
Estimated Alcohol by Volume: 5.7 % (4.5-6.0 %) Actual Alcohol by Volume: 0.6 %
Actual Calories: 90 cal/l


Mash Profile Name: Single Infusion, Medium Body Mash Tun Weight: 0.00 kg
Mash Grain Weight: 5.51 kg Mash PH: 5.4 PH
Grain Temperature: 22.2 C Sparge Temperature: 75.6 C
Sparge Water: 8.28 L Adjust Temp for Equipment: FALSE

Name Description Step Temp Step Time
Mash In Add 14.37 L of water at 74.4 C 67.8 C 60 min
Mash Out Add 8.05 L of water at 91.5 C 75.6 C 10 min

Any bets on what goes into the mash?

I have done 10 AG brews now and I do not think I have actually followed a recipe yet. I always find a way to change it at the last minute!

haha, i know, i'm fairly vigilant though as i like to keep my records so i can replicate anything i make later.

gibbocore wrote:haha, i know, i'm fairly vigilant though as i like to keep my records so i can replicate anything i make later.

I print the recipe before I start. I then keep a pen handy and make note of any changes, time, ingredients, temps, etc.

I then go back and change the recipe and give it a number which eventualy ends up on the bottle/keg to keep record.

far out, you're a better record keeper than me!

haha, you should see my spreadsheet

I print out the recipe and then order the grain - crushed from Grumpys all mixed up in the bag. that way the grain bill is never changed. I tend to be a tad generous with my late hop additions tho.......

As for record keeping, my printout, covered in spills and hop residues is stuck into my brewing book and i then record additional measurements, volumes, temp drops in the mash etc.

Cheers
DrSmurto

drsmurto wrote:I print out the recipe and then order the grain - crushed from Grumpys all mixed up in the bag. that way the grain bill is never changed. I tend to be a tad generous with my late hop additions tho.......

As for record keeping, my printout, covered in spills and hop residues is stuck into my brewing book and i then record additional measurements, volumes, temp drops in the mash etc.

Cheers
DrSmurto

You buy your grain, crushed, for each brew?! Yikes, I could never afford that!! Then again, you'd be using nice fresh malt for each batch. I buy 25kg bags and scoop / weigh out the grains into the mill the day before brewday.

Cheers,
TL

Only 5 AGs into this caper TL! So up to now i have been pre-ordeirng my grain. Fresh.

But am picking up my first bulk buy this arvo. 4 x 25kg bags. Just need to buy a mill now!

For the record, my last pils was 4.25kg of wey pils, 0.25kg melanoidin. Cost me $17. Cant complain. Cheaper than kit brewing.

$17 for 4.5 kilos of crushed Weyerman?!?!

Not a bad deal at all, Must be nice having Grumpy's as your LHBS!

I thought it was a tad cheap when i left cos i normally pay $30 but then i normally also buy hops and i didnt this time. Sounds about what i pay so yes, having Grumpys as your LHBS is a good deal - there arent many LHBS that are also micros! All that Ag knowledge to tap into to.

No worries! $17 for 4.5kg is $3.77 a kilo (assuming the crush is free).
A 25kg bag of BB Pale malt in our local bulk buy group, delivered, is $39 = $1.56 a kilo and I crush when I need it...

Anyway, the main part is getting the hang of it and having Grumpy's knowledge on tap is a real bonus.

Cheers,
TL