Brew Dog Punk IPA Recipe.

[Flux]

Hi has anyone came across a good AG clone for this beer? Brew Dog Punk, funny name but oh a nice drop.
Would like to make a batch up if someone has a tried and tested recipe?

I just threw this together going by there website info http://www.brewdog.com/media/downloads/ ... sheets.pdf

They state on the bottle that it's 65IBUs but I might just go light on for my first batch and try it out at 41, thoughts?

Do you guys think it sounds ok ? or should I balance out my 60min hops so it isn't so heavy on the Chinook just in case?
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Boil Size: 30.08 l
Post Boil Volume: 28.08 l
Batch Size (fermenter): 23.00 l
Bottling Volume: 20.50 l
Estimated OG: 1.058 SG
Estimated Color: 27.6 EBC
Estimated IBU: 41.3 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 72.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 84.5 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt Name %/IBU
4.00 kg Maris Otter (Crisp) (7.9 EBC) 66.7 %
1.50 kg Crystal Light - 45L (Crisp) (88.7 EBC) 25.0 %
0.50 kg Wheat Malt, Pale (Weyermann) (3.9 EBC) 8.3 %
25.00 g Chinook [13.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min 29.8 IBUs
15.00 g Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 60.0 min 7.6 IBUs
10.00 g Motueka [7.00 %] - Boil 20.0 min 3.9 IBUs
2.0 pkg Safale American (DCL/Fermentis #US-05) Yeast -
10.00 g Motueka [7.00 %] - Dry Hop 10.0 Days 0.0 IBUs

Also may as well ask, also wouldn't mind brewing up a Nail Ale clone as well http://www.brew.com.au/beer/nail-ale/

Any help or direction appreciated.

[warra48]

Whoa, that's a truckload of Light Crystal at 25%. It will leave you with a cloying sweet finish, nothing like the "sharp bitter finish" described in the PDF.
Cut it back to about 250 or 300 gr, and replace with Light Munich.
Then up the IBUs to about 50 to give you a balanced IPA, more in style than your original plan. Get the extra IBUs from adding hop additions at 15, 10, or 5 minutes from flameout, not at 60 min.
Also, I would add the Chinook as FWH, rather than 60 minutes. It won't give you much more in the way of bitterness, but will smooth it out. At least, that's my experience with my IPAs.
Don't know anything about Nail Ale, haven't run across it.

[Bum]

The late hopping looks all wrong for that beer to me. There's much more going on than one late-hop variety. And 20 minutes being the only late kettle addition? Doubt it fairly strongly. That can't be right.

Also, crystal hops can be had fairly easily these days - look at not subbing for the cascade if you're really hoping to nail the original. Cascade is very nice though - it will work for sure.

Also, I would add the Chinook as FWH, rather than 60 minutes. It won't give you much more in the way of bitterness, but will smooth it out.

If you're looking to emulate this beer, I wouldn't recommend doing anything to smooth out the bitterness - the beer is rough as guts. Good advice though - I've been doing it for the last couple of beers and it works a treat.

[bullfrog]

...the beer is rough as guts.

Rough as guts is right. I'm a bit of a self-professed hop-head but it's too rough for me.

This is all OT, but has anyone seen the Oz and James episode where they go to Scotland and meet the brewers from Brew Dog? They give them a bottle of Punk IPA and Oz Clark's entire little pea head went bright red. Bless his heart, though, he tried his hardest to be polite to the brewers that were right in front of him!

[bullfrog]

Hmm, tapatalk seems to have gotten rid of the delete post option for when one accidentally double-posts...

[Flux]

Thanks for the input, I've refined it a little on your comments as never having tried FWH, ing before what is the AA% increase by doing it this way?
Also as it says 60 IBU's on the bottle, I find that at times commercial beers claims in the hops department, to be somewhat less than what they claim.Maybe in first batch they may reach stated targets but in mass reproduction, I dunno?
As a homebrew of 40 IBU's against a commercial brew that states the same, just doesn't reach the same bitterness levels as the homemade version.
With that in mind, my thinking for not trying to duplicate the 60 IBU's as claimed on the label, because I know it will be too high for me I'm a 45 tops kinda guy.

Does this sound a little better?
Ingredients:
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Amt Name
4.75 kg Maris Otter (Crisp) (7.9 EBC) 79.2 %
0.50 kg Munich, Light (Joe White) (17.7 EBC) 8.3 %
0.50 kg Wheat Malt, Pale (Weyermann) (3.9 EBC) 8.3 %
0.25 kg Crystal Light - 45L (Crisp) (88.7 EBC) 4.2 %
25.00 g Chinook [13.00 %] - First Wort 60.0 min 32.5 IBUs
15.00 g Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 60.0 min 7.5 IBUs
10.00 g Saaz [4.00 %] - Boil 20.0 min 2.2 IBUs
10.00 g Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Boil 15.0 min 3.8 IBUs Can't get Motueka so decided to go with Amarillo (thoughts?)
2.00 g Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Boil 5.0 min 0.3 IBUs
2.0 pkg Safale American (DCL/Fermentis #US-05) Yeast
10.00 g Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Dry Hop 10.0 Da Hop 0.0 IBUs

[bullfrog]

A few people in this site will probably hate this suggestion (that's right, I mean you, Paul) but I've had okay results with using Nelson Sauvin when I can't get my hands on Motueka. Just make sure you're subbing to IBU, not to weight, otherwise the NS will be much too overpowering.

[Flux]

I've used Nelson in a few pale ale's. I do like it personally, especially in my Fat Yak clone's, but just experimenting as we do always looking for that special beer, often not planned but rather stumbled into....

[warra48]

Latest version of your recipe looks better, but:

For me, the 10 g Saaz at 20 min looks out of place in an AIPA. I'd drop that, and sub it with one of your US type hops at 10 min.
Only 2 gr Amarillo at 5 minutes? Won't do much. You could easily up that to 10 gr.

[emnpaul]

A few people in this site will probably hate this suggestion (that's right, I mean you, Paul) but I've had okay results with using Nelson Sauvin when I can't get my hands on Motueka. Just make sure you're subbing to IBU, not to weight, otherwise the NS will be much too overpowering.

If it was my beer you'd be right. I haven't got around to Motueka yet though.

I was under the impression that Brew Dog Punk IPA (hence forth known as BDPIPA) actually contained some amount of the dreaded NS and I've carefully avoided it for that treason. A smallish addition, say, around 15g at 10 minutes, would be all that's required or it would likely dominate your other hops.

[Flux]

Ok guys revamped this recipe again to better profile this IPA, thanks for bearing with me here, so I've dropped the dry hop addition, and the Saaz. Don't know why I had 2g Amarillo? anyways this is the latest, it's changed a bit now.What do you guys think now of my hop additions at flame out?
This is hopefully what I will run with unless I have the hopping schedule out of wack.
Also bit worried with such a hoppy beer anyway if I add NS to the boil as well it will take over the others.What about my compromise at flame out?

Estimated IBU: 51.0 IBUs now.
Ingredients:

4.75 kg Maris Otter (Crisp) (7.9 EBC) 79.2 %
0.50 kg Munich, Light (Joe White) (17.7 EBC) 8.3 %
0.50 kg Wheat Malt, Pale (Weyermann) (3.9 EBC) 8.3 %
0.25 kg Crystal Light - 45L (Crisp) (88.7 EBC) 4.2 %
25.00 g Chinook [13.00 %] - First Wort 60.0 min 32.5 IBUs
15.00 g Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 60.0 min 7.5 IBUs
12.00 g Ahtanum [6.00 %] - Boil 30.0 min 6.6 IBUs
10.00 g Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Boil 30.0 min 5.9 IBUs
12.00 g Simcoe [13.00 %] - Aroma Steep 0.0 min 0.0 IBUs
10.00 g Ahtanum [6.00 %] - Aroma Steep 0.0 min 0.0 IBUs
10.00 g Chinook [13.00 %] - Aroma Steep 0.0 min 0.0 IBUs
10.00 g Nelson Sauvin [12.00 %] -Aroma Steep 0.0 min 0.0 IBUs
2.0 pkg Safale American (DCL/Fermentis #US-05) Yeast

Thanks for all your input.

[emnpaul]

To be honest dude I'm not sure if you're over thinking it or just trying to pack 3 IPA's into one. Your malt bill looks like a pretty good start for an English IPA but then your hops are all over the place. The way I see it it's just too many different US style hops for any of them to really shine. An IPA can be complex and hoppy but it need not be complicated.

If it were me (and it's not so feel free to disregard this post completely) I'd go for any kind of generic ale malt in place of the Marris Otter while leaving your spec. malts as is and drop your hop varieties down to just three. Cascade, Chinook and dare I say it, Nelson Sauvin. Up your late additions to around 100g total, starting with Cascade at 20 Chinook at 15 and Sauvin at 10. Then finish with Chinook and Cascade at Flame out. Some Cascade dry wil also go well if you feel like throwing some in the fermenter.

Most of all don't worry and just enjoy your brewing.

[Flux]

I don't know that's all, which is why I asked in the first place because everywhere I look at recipe's for this particular IPA the hop additions are full on.And varied probably because there were 2 different recipes that BDP used, I dunno?

Take this, BDP hop profile for a 50L batch for example:
20.00 g Ahtanum [5.20 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 4 5.8 IBUs
20.00 g Chinook [13.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 5 14.5 IBUs
14.00 g Simcoe [12.20 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 9 4.7 IBUs
21.00 g Ahtanum [5.20 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 6 3.0 IBUs
21.00 g Chinook [11.50 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 7 6.7 IBUs
21.00 g Ahtanum [5.20 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 11 1.2 IBUs
14.00 g Simcoe [12.20 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 14 1.9 IBUs
21.00 g Chinook [11.50 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 12 2.7 IBUs
21.00 g Chinook [11.50 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 16 0.0 IBUs
14.00 g Simcoe [12.20 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 18 0.0 IBUs
21.00 g Ahtanum [5.20 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 15 0.0 IBUs
14.00 g Nelson Sauvin [10.70 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 8 4.1 IBUs
14.00 g Nelson Sauvin [10.70 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 13 1.7 IBUs
14.00 g Nelson Sauvin [10.70 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 17 0.0 IBUs

And this guy recon's he's got it pretty close.
And in saying that all the recipes I've seen on the net for this beer have 4 or 5 different style of hops added, thats why I was asking, is all?
Maybe your right I'll calm the hop flavours down a bit to just 3 then.

[emnpaul]

Yeah, it was probably a mistake for me to get involved in the first place. Bullfrog this is your fault.

The hop bill you just posted to me looks like it's bordering on an IIPA, even for a 50 litre batch, but if the dude reckons he's pretty close and your instincts are telling you to do it then by all means go for it. I wasn't really trying to have a go at your recipe and if I have offended then I appologise. My point was simply that I don't believe there is much to be gained, even when brewing IPA's, by making hop and for that matter malt bills, too complicated. The hop bills can still be full on even with a lower number of additions and hops.

[Flux]

It's not a mistake matey, all is good here. You definitely haven't offended me in the slightest, I'm not some nancy boy that gets upset at others opinions, they are welcomed as it expands knowledge, which to me is a good thing I think.

I actually agree with you and usually follow the simplistic approach as I don't want to get confused on first batches when I'm trying to profile the beer to make it better, well hopefully at least thats the plan.
I have noted that when I check American backyard brewing recipes that quite a lot seem overly complicated in the additions dept.Dunno if it's just circumstantial but it's what I have noticed at times.
The essence of it all is to share knowledge when home brewing is it not, so I want to make good beer so I'd rather get the feedback here first instead of after the fact from my mates telling me the beer tastes like ass.

[Bum]

To be honest dude I'm not sure if you're over thinking it or just trying to pack 3 IPA's into one. Your malt bill looks like a pretty good start for an English IPA but then your hops are all over the place. The way I see it it's just too many different US style hops for any of them to really shine. An IPA can be complex and hoppy but it need not be complicated.

I'd just like to take a moment to remind you that you're talking about a Brewdog beer...

Any of these later recipes look like they'd get you in the ballpark, Flux.

[Oliver]

Hi Flux,

It seems like you're still lurking on the forum.

So, did you end up making the BDPIPA in the end, and if so to what recipe and how was it?

Cheers,

Oliver

[Flux]

Sorry for the late reply here, no I never got around to brewing it, have had a break from it lately as we had a baby some months ago which seems to take up a great portion of my spare time.
But I will hopefully get to this soon enough.