its a bloody good recipe huh!
my first batch turned out all hops and no malt, and quite bitter, which i have been told may have been caused by too much perle at the end.
LCPA Recipe
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Hi everyone,
I am very keen to try this one myself, all responses I have read have been very positive, but I have a couple of questions I'd like to pose.
Is there any wheat malt in an LCPA?
I have this nagging feeling that there is but I would like to confirm it. I don't have an empty bottle lying around and the website isn't divulging it.
If so, I was considering the following malt combination:
1 kg Dry Light Malt Extract and 0.5 kg Wheat Malt.
Also, not sure I can get my hands on a Morgan Stockmans Draught.
I am considering using either a Coopers Brewmaster - Traditional Draught or the Cooper Original Draught instead.
Any suggestions which would be the better starter kit?
Any help would be much appreciated.
Regards,
Osc
I am very keen to try this one myself, all responses I have read have been very positive, but I have a couple of questions I'd like to pose.
Is there any wheat malt in an LCPA?
I have this nagging feeling that there is but I would like to confirm it. I don't have an empty bottle lying around and the website isn't divulging it.
If so, I was considering the following malt combination:
1 kg Dry Light Malt Extract and 0.5 kg Wheat Malt.
Also, not sure I can get my hands on a Morgan Stockmans Draught.
I am considering using either a Coopers Brewmaster - Traditional Draught or the Cooper Original Draught instead.
Any suggestions which would be the better starter kit?
Any help would be much appreciated.
Regards,
Osc
Adding the wheat malt would be an interesting experiment Ozcah - one that i have been tempted to do. I used the original series coopers lager in mine, does the trick nicely!
Keep us informed!
If it was me i would add the tin of liquid malt and then add the 500g of wheat malt. If anything, this recipe could do with more malt, not less!
Cheers
DrSmurto
Keep us informed!
If it was me i would add the tin of liquid malt and then add the 500g of wheat malt. If anything, this recipe could do with more malt, not less!
Cheers
DrSmurto
drsmuto
Nice to know I'm not the only one thinking that way on the wheat malt. I like the idea of using the full can of liquid malt too. That sounds like a plan!
I'm still thinking of using a draught kit as it's probably a bit more bitter than the lager. With the lager did you still use an Ale yeast, or the kit yeast?
I'll decide soon, it finally getting warm enough, but not too warm, to brew again.
I'll let you know how it goes.
Regards,
Osc
Nice to know I'm not the only one thinking that way on the wheat malt. I like the idea of using the full can of liquid malt too. That sounds like a plan!
I'm still thinking of using a draught kit as it's probably a bit more bitter than the lager. With the lager did you still use an Ale yeast, or the kit yeast?
I'll decide soon, it finally getting warm enough, but not too warm, to brew again.
I'll let you know how it goes.
Regards,
Osc
Ditch the kit yeast and grab yourself a packet of US56. It is a really clean fermenting yeast that allows all the hop flavour to come through, you dont want any of it hiding in this brew!
As for draught vs lager IIRC is about 23 vs 22 IBU......
Most of the coopers kits come with the same yeast - see here
The hit of wheat malt should help with the head retention but since i have started kegging i dont have that issue! Plus all the spec grain i add which cant hurt!
As for draught vs lager IIRC is about 23 vs 22 IBU......
Most of the coopers kits come with the same yeast - see here
The hit of wheat malt should help with the head retention but since i have started kegging i dont have that issue! Plus all the spec grain i add which cant hurt!
ok, after reading this whole thread and extracting what very little help the LC website offers, i did find a few clues, in that they only import chinook and cascade, and in their hop descriptions they suggest cascade be used for aroma and chinook be used for bittering and flavour. i'm going to run with that, but they also say that their pale ale has some honey flavours, is this to be taken litteraly? Or are they just suggesting that is what their malts and hops give off? Either way i formulated a quick recipe with beersmith for speculation and criticism.
cheers.
Amount Item Type % or IBU
4.50 kg Pale Malt (2 Row) US (3.9 EBC) Grain 77.6 %
1.00 kg Caramel/Crystal Malt - 10L (19.7 EBC) Grain 17.2 %
0.30 kg Wheat Malt, Ger (3.9 EBC) Grain 5.2 %
25.30 gm Chinook [13.00%] (60 min) Hops 34.8 IBU
10.00 gm Chinook [13.00%] (5 min) Hops 2.5 IBU
20.00 gm Cascade [5.50%] (60 min) (Aroma Hop-Steep) Hops -
1 Pkgs American Ale (Wyeast Labs #1056) Yeast-Ale
Beer Profile Estimated Original Gravity: 1.056 SG
Estimated Final Gravity: 1.013 SG
Estimated Color: 11.6 EBC
Bitterness: 37.3 IBU
Estimated Alcohol by Volume: 5.5 %
cheers.
Amount Item Type % or IBU
4.50 kg Pale Malt (2 Row) US (3.9 EBC) Grain 77.6 %
1.00 kg Caramel/Crystal Malt - 10L (19.7 EBC) Grain 17.2 %
0.30 kg Wheat Malt, Ger (3.9 EBC) Grain 5.2 %
25.30 gm Chinook [13.00%] (60 min) Hops 34.8 IBU
10.00 gm Chinook [13.00%] (5 min) Hops 2.5 IBU
20.00 gm Cascade [5.50%] (60 min) (Aroma Hop-Steep) Hops -
1 Pkgs American Ale (Wyeast Labs #1056) Yeast-Ale
Beer Profile Estimated Original Gravity: 1.056 SG
Estimated Final Gravity: 1.013 SG
Estimated Color: 11.6 EBC
Bitterness: 37.3 IBU
Estimated Alcohol by Volume: 5.5 %
Hiya Everyone (again),
I've just read through this entire topic and interesting reading it has made.
I've made up my mind and will be putting this down on the weekend if I can get all the hops I'm after, being in Adelaide I'm hoping the Jovial Monk can help me out there.
Based on Boonies recipe and what I've read more recently I'm going to do this. I like to experiment. Additional notes below.
1 Can Coopers Original Draught (haven't seen the Morgans anywhere)
1.5Kg Liquid light malt (most likley coopers)
0.5Kg Dry Wheat Malt **1
12g Chinook (15 minute boil) **2
10g Cluster (15 Minute boil)
15g Cascade (dry hopped)
US56 yeast
**1 I mentioned in an earlier email I thought LCPA had some wheat malt in there. I'm going to try it anyway. I did a Coopers Pale once with 1kg Dry Light Malt and 0.5kg Dry Wheat Malt and some cascade hops, that turned out pretty good.
**2 One of the earlier posts mentioned swapping the cascade and chinook around. Had a read about Chinook and it's been suggested better for bittering (though 15 minutes isn't long enough for that) where as Cascade is good for Dry hopping and bittering as well. Hoping the Chinook gives it some flavour and the cascade gives it some more.
Couple of questions though.
Does any one think that simply dry hopping cascade will not impart the citrussy flavour it gives? Is it worth boiling some- maybe 10g boil, 10g dry hopped?
When boiling the hops - to strain or not to strain? - that is my question.
I don't rack so I was going to dry hop about 4 days into the ferment and leave for another 7 days (or at least the weekend after that 7 days). Does that sound about right?
All thoughts will be appreciated. This is the weekend I start brewing for summer.
Catchya
Osc
I've just read through this entire topic and interesting reading it has made.
I've made up my mind and will be putting this down on the weekend if I can get all the hops I'm after, being in Adelaide I'm hoping the Jovial Monk can help me out there.
Based on Boonies recipe and what I've read more recently I'm going to do this. I like to experiment. Additional notes below.
1 Can Coopers Original Draught (haven't seen the Morgans anywhere)
1.5Kg Liquid light malt (most likley coopers)
0.5Kg Dry Wheat Malt **1
12g Chinook (15 minute boil) **2
10g Cluster (15 Minute boil)
15g Cascade (dry hopped)
US56 yeast
**1 I mentioned in an earlier email I thought LCPA had some wheat malt in there. I'm going to try it anyway. I did a Coopers Pale once with 1kg Dry Light Malt and 0.5kg Dry Wheat Malt and some cascade hops, that turned out pretty good.
**2 One of the earlier posts mentioned swapping the cascade and chinook around. Had a read about Chinook and it's been suggested better for bittering (though 15 minutes isn't long enough for that) where as Cascade is good for Dry hopping and bittering as well. Hoping the Chinook gives it some flavour and the cascade gives it some more.
Couple of questions though.
Does any one think that simply dry hopping cascade will not impart the citrussy flavour it gives? Is it worth boiling some- maybe 10g boil, 10g dry hopped?
When boiling the hops - to strain or not to strain? - that is my question.
I don't rack so I was going to dry hop about 4 days into the ferment and leave for another 7 days (or at least the weekend after that 7 days). Does that sound about right?
All thoughts will be appreciated. This is the weekend I start brewing for summer.
Catchya
Osc
Don't strain the hops, mine always sink...
I think the doc swapped the hops around, go for it, I am going to try it too.
You certainly could heat the "dry" hopped for 10-15 minutes, again don't strain. The 4 days cook and 7 days hop is ok ie wont hurt, but I reckon give 7 days primary and 7 days after dry hop add.
The wheat malt sounds interesting, definitely post results on this one.
Cheers
Boonie
I think the doc swapped the hops around, go for it, I am going to try it too.
You certainly could heat the "dry" hopped for 10-15 minutes, again don't strain. The 4 days cook and 7 days hop is ok ie wont hurt, but I reckon give 7 days primary and 7 days after dry hop add.
The wheat malt sounds interesting, definitely post results on this one.
Cheers
Boonie
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Ozcah, i would give the Monk a call before you drop in, he didnt have chinook last time i asked and its now too late to get Ross to send them to you for the weekend.
If you really struggle to get them i can give you some. At last count i had more than 10 of Ross' 90g packs in my freezer and am pretty sure there was plenty to be able to repeat the LCPA clone a few times over.
Only issue is i live in the hills at Mt Torrens so most city folk dont like travelling that far (despite the fact i am only 35mins from the tollgate!). I'll be home all day Saturday plowing the vegie garden ready for planting, pruning the fruit trees and putting a brew on if i find time. And splitting wood.
Cheers
DrSmurto
p.s. i did swap the cascade to dry hop and chinook for flavouring and its a very nice drop IMHO but dont have any of the original version for a comparison.
If you really struggle to get them i can give you some. At last count i had more than 10 of Ross' 90g packs in my freezer and am pretty sure there was plenty to be able to repeat the LCPA clone a few times over.
Only issue is i live in the hills at Mt Torrens so most city folk dont like travelling that far (despite the fact i am only 35mins from the tollgate!). I'll be home all day Saturday plowing the vegie garden ready for planting, pruning the fruit trees and putting a brew on if i find time. And splitting wood.
Cheers
DrSmurto
p.s. i did swap the cascade to dry hop and chinook for flavouring and its a very nice drop IMHO but dont have any of the original version for a comparison.
I know of a company in Tasmania who import Hops from around the world... they sell it by the kilo... minimum weigh is 15kg per hop.
I was a little blown back when my mate opened his freezer the other day and it was full of boxes of hops.. 15kg Centennial, 15kg Hallertau... etc... crazy...
Could be a cheap alternative if you can store it properly
I was a little blown back when my mate opened his freezer the other day and it was full of boxes of hops.. 15kg Centennial, 15kg Hallertau... etc... crazy...
Could be a cheap alternative if you can store it properly
I freely admit that I was Very Very Drunk....
"They speak of my drinking, but never consider my thirst."
Dr Smurto (and everyone else particularly those in Adelaide),
Gave the Monk a call. He's got the Cascade and the Chinook but no Cluster. He doesn't stock it, apparently it goes off pretty quickly and he wouldn't sell it quick enough, which is fair enough.
I'm going to substitute for Perle instead. That was suggested in an earlier posting.
I am going to do the 10g cascade in boil (15 mins) and 10g cascade dry hopped though.
Thanks for the suggestion, it was worth the phone call. Now I just have to go there and then get away in less than an hour. Anyone who's been to the monk will understand what I mean.
catchya
Osc
Gave the Monk a call. He's got the Cascade and the Chinook but no Cluster. He doesn't stock it, apparently it goes off pretty quickly and he wouldn't sell it quick enough, which is fair enough.
I'm going to substitute for Perle instead. That was suggested in an earlier posting.
I am going to do the 10g cascade in boil (15 mins) and 10g cascade dry hopped though.
Thanks for the suggestion, it was worth the phone call. Now I just have to go there and then get away in less than an hour. Anyone who's been to the monk will understand what I mean.
catchya
Osc