100% Juice Cider

[Wassa]

A question guys!!!

I am going to put down a 100% cider using the no added sugar, no preservative juice that you buy in the supermarket. I am going to put it down with 1kg dextrose and I have a sachet of Champagne yeast I am going to use. If I chuck in a couple of sachets of old Coopers year into the boil as a yeast nutrient, will 1 sachet of champagne yeast be enough for the job or should I usre 2???

Thanks and have a good one!!!

[Bum]

What is your batch size? If it is around a normal single batch size I'd say your average champers yeast should be up to the job.

Now, speaking of the job - assuming you're bottling and letting it ferment out completely and an OG on the juice of 1045 (which I understand is about the average) you'll be punching around 6.5% without the dex. You reckon you'll need it?

[Wassa]

Bum,

I'll probably do a batch of about 20 litres.

Maybe I'll drop the dextrose down to 750gm. I am not adding any lactose because I like my cider dry.

After the cider I am going to do my honey porter and then try a Perry.

[bullfrog]

I've heard of barley wine, but apple wine?

Reckon that wouldn't be a bad idea, actually. A 15% cider would certainly be something. Probably have to get one's head around the methode champenoise beforehand, just for added effect.

[Wassa]

Misread the post, sorry Bum.

Yeah, reckon I can do without the Dex. With it, it would blow your head off.

[speedie]

wassa is it your intention to boil the juice and or water for desolving the dextro
it is general pratice to just use the juice without boil
as bum mentioned try it neat first when ferment is finished you could bottle and prime with a little more neat apple juice to kick off secondary ferment

[Wassa]

Speedie,

I misread what Bum had to say.

I am going to just use straight juice, maybe boil up the 2 sachets of old Coopers yeast to use as a yeast nutrient for the Champagne yeast I am going to pitch.

There are so many different brands of juice to choose from though. Even the Homebrand juice says it is sugar and preservative free. I think I'll probably go with one of the better name brands though and no an el cheapo Homebrand. After all a cider is only as good as the juice you put into it. Berri looks like the best brand to use so I'll probably go with it.

[Bum]

Can't go wrong with Berri but I've also heard very good reports from Aldi juice too.

Many people state that a blend of different brands gives a more complex result too.

I'm currently doing a small test batch of Preshafruit Pink Lady juice - I hope it turns out awful because a full batch will end up costing about $80!

[matr]

Lady juice

Out of context obviously... But my mind did sink that low...

Maybe you could call it Cider from Incider?

[bullfrog]

I'm currently doing a small test batch of Preshafruit Pink Lady juice - I hope it turns out awful because a full batch will end up costing about $80!

I've been contemplating doing one of these, too. Do let us know how your little batch goes because you're right; a full batch is definitely not on the cheap side.

Turns out that one of the orchard owners in Bilpin (spot just up the mountains that apparently is more nuts for apples than anywhere else in the world) is a bit of a brewer and will happily sell juice on the cheap to other brewers wanting to make cider. Been thinking of giving him a shout and doing my first all-juice cider soon.

[drsmurto]

I've done an all fresh pressed juice cider using a blend of 3 apples (fuji, granny and i think golden delicious or something similar). 2 x 1.5kg bags of each variety from memory ended up with ~4.5L from 9kg of apples.

So not cheap and very time consuming but the result was easily the best ever cider i have made. There was a depth to the flavour, much more complex which is what i was aiming for by using some sweet, some tart apples. Much like the thinking behind my holy grail of ciders - Breton Cider

[Bum]

From link:

A slow fermentation (1 point / week) gives a better cider.

Sorry, DrS. I'm far too thirsty for that.

[drsmurto]

That is due to using wild yeasts that occur on the apple skins.

I used Wyeast 4766 (cider) and aim for a primary ferment of 3-4 weeks at the lower end of the temperature scale.

[speedie]

i prefer good old fashion farm house cider
a blend of sweet and acid apples
of course it will be dry

[bullfrog]

One can replicate the taste of a cider that uses multiple differing apples with acid adjustments to an all-juice cider ferment. There's no reason that the all-juice method should be looked down upon.

[speedie]

so do you use cultured yeast or wild yeast?

[bullfrog]

Hmm, there has been posts removed here.

I prefer to use cultured yeasts for a more predictable outcome, but again, it wouldn't be difficult to add wild yeast to a juice brew by just cutting an apple into pieces and throwing that in, if that was what you wanted.

[Bubble]

Hi guys, i wanted to try this last year back in blighty, but i never got around to it.
I have a 5 ltre demi john with air lock top, i want to know if when i put the 2 litres of pure juice in do i top up to 4 litres with water, and because we like a sweeter cider do i add equal amounts of brewing sugar and lactose, or do i just go with brewing sugar (1kg or 250gram)? and at what temp do i pitch the champagne yeast at, then how long in demi john. Then is it ready to drink on readings approval, or do i bottle it and add more suger then wait weeks again?
Thanks.

[bullfrog]

Don't top up with water and there's no need to add sugar unless you also want it to be able to be used to clean your oven. The juice alone will ferment to over 5-6% easily enough. Also, if you want a sweeter cider, just use a less attenuative yeast. I've had great results from just using US-05.

You may want to do more than just two litres, though. I buy 22L of juice for each cider batch. All of it just gets tipped into the fermenter then you can add extras (tannic acid, spices, etc -- none of which are needed, of course) and throw your yeast on top. Leave it for a fortnight then, Robert's your mother's brother, you've got a 22L batch of homemade cider that you can bottle or keg.

[hirns]

I've used the berri with the champagne yeast and it came out crytal in clarity, but was way way too\ dry(still better than any kit though). I was aiming for a dryish cider like Mercury, but this needed some lactose. The next time I made it with 200g of lactose and it was still way to dry. I would use 500g next time or as Bullrog suggested, change the yeast.

Hirns