James Squire Amber Ale Revisited

ausdag · Post by **ausdag** » Saturday Oct 22, 2005 10:09 am

Hi all,

I was just reading a past thread on JSAA and the suggestion to clone it can be done by mixing together a Malt Shovel Pale Ale with a Malt Shovel Nut Brown Ale and yeast.

IIRC, Malt Shovel kits are designed to be diluted to 15L only. If I were to mix these two kits to make an Amber Ale clone, would I still only dilute to 15L and if so, can that be done in a 25L fermenter or would there be too much air space?

DavidG

Post by **Oliver** » Saturday Oct 22, 2005 11:56 am

I can't recall the thread, but I'd reckon you'd be aiming to top up to at least 23 litres. Most two-can recipes are made with cans designed to produce 23 litres of beer when combined with extra fermentables. If you added two cans of James Squire (which are designed to be brewed with a can only) and brewed to 11.5 litres, you're going to get an extremely syrupy, bitter beer.

Oliver

ausdag · Post by **ausdag** » Saturday Oct 22, 2005 1:14 pm

I figured as much, but good to get confirmation. Thanks Oliver.

DavidG

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Monday Oct 24, 2005 12:06 pm

Just tried my latest go at a JSAA tasting beer on the weekend...It's a bit left field but very nice

1 can Coopers Bavarian Lager
1 can Black rock amber malt extract
50g English Crystal (steeped 15 min)
10g willamette (steeped 15 min)
Yeast from the bavarian lager (lager yeast apparently)

This brew was a lot closer to the real thing than anything I've brewed using an ale yeast. I decided to use the bavarian lager (1) because I had a can of it and (2) because it uses lager yeast. I decided to give lager yeast a go because I heard that the maltshovel brewery uses lager yeast instead of an ale.

Will definitely do this again with a pale ale kit and with saflager.

Cheers,
Jay.

peterd · Post by **peterd** » Monday Oct 24, 2005 1:11 pm

> Will definitely do this again with ... saflager

You have already used a saflager yeast (came with Bav Lager kit).

Jay · Post by **Jay** » Monday Oct 24, 2005 2:03 pm

yeah but the pale ale kit won't have a saflager yeast.

Lebowski · Post by **Lebowski** » Monday Oct 24, 2005 6:25 pm

I bought a recipe kit from westbrew that is meant to be close and it tastes really good. (think the recipe is from some brewcraft recipe sheet)

Was
1.7kg Tin Muntons Blonde Beer
1.7kg Amber malt
7g Golden Cluster hops put in a coffee plunger with boiling water for 15 mins
7g dry hopped in fermenter
US-56 Safale yeast

cliffo · Post by **cliffo** » Monday Oct 24, 2005 6:30 pm

I'll weigh in with my effort - haven't had a JSAA for a while so can't really do a great AB comparison but it tastes great regardless:

Morgans Roayal Oak Amber Ale
1.5kg Black Rock Liquid Amber Malt
250g Powdered Corn Syrup
Williamette Hops
SAFale Yeast

Brewed a touch to high at 24ish degrees but doesn't seem to have had a detrimental effect on the taste. Will have to do again at lower temps though

cliffo

flosso · Post by **flosso** » Monday Oct 24, 2005 10:32 pm

For eveyone's reference - here is the link mentioned in the first post:

http://www.homebrewandbeer.com/forum/vi ... .php?t=344

ausdag · Post by **ausdag** » Tuesday Oct 25, 2005 7:06 am

That's the one Flosso. Appologies though, the polite thing for me to have done was to cite your name as the source of the original information

ANyway, I think before I try mixing different ingredients, I'll have a go at your two kit recipe first -

On Monday June 20, 2005 at 2:11pm, flosso wrote -

"When I told the guys behind the counter what I intended to make, they pointed out that Malt Shovel (makers of James Squire Beers) have their own kits out, and to make a JSAA clone mix together a Malt Shovel Pale Ale with a Malt Shovel Nut Brown Ale and yeast".

DavidG