Framboos Bier

NTRabbit · Post by **NTRabbit** » Wednesday Dec 07, 2005 10:32 pm

In my ever continuing quest to brew new, exotic and impressive things, I thought I'd give it a try.

1.7kg Malt Shovel Pale Ale
200g Dextrose
300g Fresh Frozen Raspberries in a fruit sock
Safale S-04
Filled to 11.5L in my 15L fermenter

Was thundering away just 90 minutes after sealing the lid, beautiful raspberry aroma coming out of the airlock and the wort is slowly taking on a deep redish tinge.

Cant wait!

Hillbilly · Post by **Hillbilly** » Wednesday Dec 07, 2005 11:27 pm

Mate sounds like a real winner, let us know how it turns out.
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Het Zatte Konijn.

Dogger Dan · Post by **Dogger Dan** » Thursday Dec 08, 2005 3:29 am

I brewed 4 batches up of this. It really is good.

Dogger

MHD · Post by **MHD** » Thursday Dec 08, 2005 6:59 am

What is the OG?

Sounds Yummy!

yardglass · Post by **yardglass** » Thursday Dec 08, 2005 7:10 am

all sounds good except for the MSB factor..

overated crap imo.

yardy

undercover1 · Post by **undercover1** » Thursday Dec 08, 2005 7:35 am

Sounds OK to me. When I tried a raspberry brew I added a (hugely expensive) 500ml bottle of good raspberry syrup to the primary, with a Coopers lager.
It smelt great, and tasted good after a week but over time the raspberry flavour got brewed out. Next time I will add the fruit in secondary, to see if more of it carries over.
BTW, I assume a fruit sock is a hop bag kind of arrangement?

silkworm · Post by **silkworm** » Thursday Dec 08, 2005 7:40 am

yardglass wrote:all sounds good except for the MSB factor..

overated crap imo.

yardy

I'd have to agree with Yardglass on that. The HB versions of this beer don't often come up to the mark...
I'd try another good ale kit.

Chris · Post by **Chris** » Thursday Dec 08, 2005 12:15 pm

2ndary is the better time to add fruit if you want a stronger fruit flavour.

NTRabbit · Post by **NTRabbit** » Thursday Dec 08, 2005 2:02 pm

silkworm wrote:
yardglass wrote:all sounds good except for the MSB factor..

overated crap imo.

yardy
I'd have to agree with Yardglass on that. The HB versions of this beer don't often come up to the mark...
I'd try another good ale kit.

Give me the name of another HB kit that only makes 11.5L and I'll see what I can do.

Tyberious Funk · Post by **Tyberious Funk** » Thursday Dec 08, 2005 2:59 pm

NTRabbit wrote:
silkworm wrote:
yardglass wrote:all sounds good except for the MSB factor..

overated crap imo.

yardy
I'd have to agree with Yardglass on that. The HB versions of this beer don't often come up to the mark...
I'd try another good ale kit.
Give me the name of another HB kit that only makes 11.5L and I'll see what I can do.

I've used the Coopers Pale Ale mixed to only 15 litres. It is fairly lightly hopped, at 19 IBU, so when mixed to 15 litres it is roughly 29 IBU. My 15 litre fermenter fits 14 litres of brew quite comfortably and I top it up with another 1 litre when I bulk prime.

I don't know how that would compare to the MSB, though.

I suppose you could also consider some unhopped malt extract, and add your own hops. Once again, I don't know how this would compare to the MSB kit, though.

NTRabbit · Post by **NTRabbit** » Thursday Dec 08, 2005 6:12 pm

I got the MSB because it was half size and on special.

I wanted half size because the raspberries are expensive, and I didn't want to be too far out of pocket in case it didn't work.

kurtz · Post by **kurtz** » Tuesday Dec 13, 2005 11:04 pm

A Frambois is not just a Rasberry flavored beer!!
It is a fact a matured Lambic to which rasberries have been added. A Lambic is a very (by Australian tstes) sour beer, with most of the souring caused by Brettanomyces with a little help from Lactobacillus and Ped. The fruit does not make the beer ssweeter as the sugar is fermented out but tends to reduce the dryness a litlle (lambics are often super attenuated, that is have a gravity less than 1000 due to the work over along period of Brett). Traditionally the fruit (most commonly cherries) was added to the cask by the Cafe owner (publican) rather than the brewery.

Kurtz

NTRabbit · Post by **NTRabbit** » Wednesday Dec 14, 2005 4:09 am

Actually, a straight translation of Framboos Bier is "Raspberry Beer"

That the belgian fruit beers are mostly lambics is not related - I could have made it with a lager kit, and the name would still be valid - and to be honest im not really sure I could buy a strain of lambic yeast in Australia anyway. Definitely not going to try a lambic manually, thats a really good way to get sick.

silkworm · Post by **silkworm** » Wednesday Dec 14, 2005 9:00 am

Just out of interest I looked into Michael Jacksons site for the term Lambic...

Contrary to misunderstandings in some other countries, there is no connection between the term Lambic and the use of fruit.
Equally, many good fruit beers in Belgium are not based on Lambic.
For example, several of the Brown brews made in Oudenaarde are used as the base for Kriek or Frambozen beers.

I'm not infering that Framboos is not a lambic but more to the point that fruit beers can be made with any type of beer.
On reading this I'd have to say that Lambics would be almost impossible to make for the average homebrewer because of the need for wild yeast and that would require a suitable environment for those good yeasts to be dominant in the air.
Facinating stuff.
I had a Framboos yeasterday at the Belgian beer cafe and didn't like it much. As the style of Lambic imparts more wine that beer flavours. IMHO
The Kwak was a ripper though - thanks for the tip Lebowski !!

kurtz · Post by **kurtz** » Wednesday Dec 14, 2005 6:06 pm

Did I say that Lambic used fruit..I doubt that, I believe I said the the origin of Kriek and Framboise had everything to do with the Cafe owner (publican) who added fruit to a Lambic and nothing to do with the brewery.
Of course in these modern times the Breweries themselves do add fruit to Lambic to produce Kriek and Framboise.
It is possible to make beers along the style of the Belgian sour beers in Australia by using yeast/bacteria strains from the big two, Wyeast and Whitelabs. A good start is the Roselare blend from Wyeast, though probably from Rodenbach which produces a Flemish Red style the required bits are there, particullarly my mate Brett.
This a beer that you really do need to have an extended fermentation/aging though as Brett takes time, a good 15 months to 3 years is about right.
Go for it !!!

Kurtz

NTRabbit · Post by **NTRabbit** » Wednesday Dec 14, 2005 10:34 pm

Framboos is literally the dutch and flemish word for Raspberry, and Framboise is french for the same thing. In and of themselves they have absolutely nothing to do with beer. The same thing goes for Kriek, which is the dutch and flemish word for Cherry.

A Framboos beer IS just a raspberry flavoured beer, because thats all the name means.

silkworm · Post by **silkworm** » Thursday Dec 15, 2005 8:19 am

There I think we can agree with each other on that then.
Personally after tasting a Belgian Framboos the other day I won't be waiting 3 years to drink a HB version.
Cheers guys for the info

kurtz · Post by **kurtz** » Thursday Dec 15, 2005 6:36 pm

Ok...I give in, you guys are right..just popping down to the local for a Framboos...Toohey's New and Schweppes Rasberry...fullfills all the criteria I guess..Fire Engine..Australian for Framboise....

Kurtz

NTRabbit · Post by **NTRabbit** » Thursday Dec 15, 2005 8:07 pm

kurtz wrote:Ok...I give in, you guys are right..just popping down to the local for a Framboos...Toohey's New and Schweppes Rasberry...fullfills all the criteria I guess..Fire Engine..Australian for Framboise....

Kurtz

No thats a beer mixed with softdrink, wait a couple of hours for my Dutch friend to come online and I'll get a translation for you. A raspberry beer would be one brewed with raspberries, not added later.

I really am trying hard to explain this to you, but you dont seem to want to listen or understand which makes it quite frsutrating.

Australian for Framboos is 'Raspberry'. Not 'Raspberry Beer', not 'Raspberry Lambic'. The word Framboos is used in conjuntcion with the word beer in the same way that we would call Beez Neez a Honey Beer, rather than just calling it 'Honey'.

That the Belgians themselves brew beers using fruit such as Framboos (flemish for raspberry), Kriek (flemish for Cherry), and Aardbei (flemish for Strawberry) in a manner of styles that is not soley limited to the Lambic type should be all the explanation necessary.

kurtz · Post by **kurtz** » Thursday Dec 15, 2005 8:50 pm

brewed or fermented..are we going to play semantics here..fine...seems to be rather a theme.
I have tasted Schweppes "cordial" out the bottle and soft drink it aint. My (hypothetical) locals framboos is not not beer mixed with soft drink it is beer mixed with concentrate as opposed to lemonade mixed with concentrate which would produce a soft drink!!!

A Frambois is not just a Rasberry flavored beer!!

Now who actually said that??
Did Kurtz say that a or any Frambois was a rasberry flavored beer, no he said that

A Frambois is not just a Rasberry flavored beer!!

Did Kurtz say that a rasberry flavored beer could not be called a frambois?
No I think he said

A Frambois is not just a Rasberry flavored beer!!

Did Kurtz say that all rasberry flavored beers should be a framboos..reckon that I will leave it at that...

Kurtz