Pails vs Carboys

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gregb wrote:
Tipsy wrote:...The only downside I can see with the pails is they are only 25lt. I would like to purchase a 30lt one for a primary.

Anyone know where I can find such an animal?
I got one from my local HBS (Asquith Homebrewing) but it was a special order.

I prefer pails for the ease of cleaning etc.

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Cheers Greg,
I'll see if my nearest HBS will source one for me. That should be a good way to test the bloke out. :)
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You can sometimes pick up the old coopers pails on ebay very cheap and they are 30 litre or at least the ones i have are!! Im pretty sure that there was a guy selling 2 of them together the other day for like 10 bucks so check it out!!
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scblack wrote: What do the glass ones cost?
In Sydney I've seen them advertised for $70 to $80.

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gregb wrote:
scblack wrote: What do the glass ones cost?
In Sydney I've seen them advertised for $70 to $80.

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I picked mine up for $60...but that was ... YEARS AGO! Crikey let's count...at least 11 years ago!!!
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gregb wrote:
scblack wrote: What do the glass ones cost?
In Sydney I've seen them advertised for $70 to $80.

Cheers,
Greg
Where advertised? I have never seen them at HBS in person or online.
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My local HBs ( south east victoria ) has them for $49.95 constantly!
if this helps anyone i dont know!
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SC,

It was a quick online shop - ESB and Daves. There is one on the shelf at Asquith, dunno what price he has on it.

See:
http://daveshomebrew.com.au/index.php?p ... p&Itemid=1

http://www.esbeer.com.au/category39_1.htm

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lethaldog wrote:My local HBs ( south east victoria ) has them for $49.95 constantly!
if this helps anyone i dont know!
Can you narrow the location down a bit Lethal?
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Tipsy wrote:
lethaldog wrote:My local HBs ( south east victoria ) has them for $49.95 constantly!
if this helps anyone i dont know!
Can you narrow the location down a bit Lethal?
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Sure mate Mornington peninsula and its called the one stop bar shop!!
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lethaldog wrote:
Tipsy wrote:
lethaldog wrote:My local HBs ( south east victoria ) has them for $49.95 constantly!
if this helps anyone i dont know!
Can you narrow the location down a bit Lethal?
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Sure mate Mornington peninsula and its called the one stop bar shop!!
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gregb wrote:SC,

It was a quick online shop - ESB and Daves. There is one on the shelf at Asquith, dunno what price he has on it.

See:
http://daveshomebrew.com.au/index.php?p ... p&Itemid=1

http://www.esbeer.com.au/category39_1.htm

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Thanks for that. :wink:

With the demijohn I guess you just brew to about 21 litres? To leave room for foam seeing it's 23 litres size.

How do you transfer for bulk priming? Does it have a tap or bung provision?
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I think that the idea is to run primary for 3 - 5 days in a normal bucket then rack to the glass fermenter for extended lagering/secondary fermentation. As for getting it out at bottling time I would guess siphon would be the answer. ESB advertised a little pump to make it easy.

21L batch would be simplest solution to the size constraint. Probably designed in the US where most batches are 5 gallons - 19 Litres.

I am undecided if they are worth the cost / effort and have therefore only priced them.

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This has been posted before, but here it is again. It's an illustrated guide in which the guy racks from a glass carboy into a keg. Oh, and I beleive the right way to go about racking from a class fermenter is by using a racking cane to syphon from just above the krausen.

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I've always seen the glass fermenter used for the primary, as that's when most action happens, which is cool to look at. :) Other than that, it helps to be able to see what you're doing when you're racking to avoid sucking any of the junk off the bottom, or any of the hopsy/foamy stuff from the surface. But I'm no expert.
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You can get the glass ones with a tap

Bit pricey, but if money isn't a consideration

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There's one on the shelf at the Faulconbridge shop and, I expect the St Marys one.

I brew mostly to 23 litres with the saflagers, but with ANY ale yeast I have to drop it back to about 20-21 else there's a bit of an eruption!

I rack with a hose and that hard tubey thingo that comes with a bottle filler, but with the fitting removed. I suppose that makes it a racking cane...

Yes, primary is VERY interesting at times. More betterer than the telly some days!
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Getting towards time for us to update some equipment, and have been thinking about going for glass. Is there any issues as far as sunlight goes that needs to be considered when brewing in glass???
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Antsvb wrote:Getting towards time for us to update some equipment, and have been thinking about going for glass. Is there any issues as far as sunlight goes that needs to be considered when brewing in glass???
Nothing that isnt already an issue with plastic i wouldnt think :lol:
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I was thinking the brew would have more chance to exposure from the sunlight, due to the clear nature of glass, or could this get through the plastic anyway??
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Antsvb wrote:I was thinking the brew would have more chance to exposure from the sunlight, due to the clear nature of glass, or could this get through the plastic anyway??
As far as i know it would have the same effect on plastic but i could be wrong ( i think it has happened once before :lol: )
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First post, just getting into the art myself, although have done plenty of brews with the old man.

Just coming back to racking methods, i have never tried racking my beer, but coming from being a cellar hand, I have done it on many occasions on a much larger scale. I think the best way to do this is to get your hose, attach a champagne wire (the thing that holds the cork on) to the end going into your brew, fill the hose with clean water, hold a finger over the end, and place the other end (the one whith the wire on it) just above the cake on the bottom, (if you cant see in, I will address this shortly) aim the hose into the sink, and release your finger (or bottle filler) wait until you get beer coming through. now is when you can make sure you get no sediment into your racked product. lower the hose into the brew until you get sediment coming through , then lift it until you get clear product, now aim this into your secondary fermenter.

it may take practice to elimenate wasteage, but I hope this helps.
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