Nitrogen/Protein levels in Malts

BierMeister · Post by **BierMeister** » Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 10:37 am

Hi all,

I have tried various searches on this forum, but unable to locate the info I need.

Does anyone know of the Nitrogen/Protein levels in common Malts(ie Pale, Pils, Munich) that are sold here in Aus. I have tried the Joe White site and sent them a query, but no answer. Its really just a curiosity thing to know what sort of Malts they are selling us. I can't even find out if the various Malts are made from 2 row or 6 row.

Any sites or info from those in the know would be appreciated and will make my mashing a slightly more precise science.

rwh · Post by **rwh** » Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 11:30 am

I would be guessing two-row, as Grain and Grape substitute any recipes that I take in there asking for two-row with J.W. ale malt.

The Wikipedia article on barley is interesting btw.

BierMeister · Post by **BierMeister** » Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 11:45 am

Yes an interest site, but I'm afraid it doesn't tell me anything I didn't already know.

I would assume that the Pale malt is 2 row, but what I am really interested in is the Nitrogen content(especially for Pilsner Malt, Vienna, Munich, Mild). Also if they (as my HBS owner thinks) are 2 row or 6. But the Nitrogen content would pretty well tell me that any way. It would clear some things for me knowing what exactly I'm mashing and the method I should use as at the moment I am guessing that I need to protein rest my Pilsner malt. Yes I know it can't hurt, but I'm curious

rwh · Post by **rwh** » Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 11:51 am

Could you not tell whether it was 2 or 6 row by cutting open an uncrushed grain?

chris. · Post by **chris.** » Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 12:18 pm

Biermeister, I think I have a general JW analysis sheet floating around somewhere. It may be an old one but I will have a look & get back to you.

chris. · Post by **chris.** » Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 8:19 pm

Biermeister, I do have some older Malt Craft specification's for both JW & Hoepfner malts. Both have Protein levels but neither have Nitrogen levels. If your interested in a copy send me an email.

111222333 · Post by **111222333** » Wednesday Nov 22, 2006 9:55 pm

chris. wrote:Biermeister, I do have some older Malt Craft specification's for both JW & Hoepfner malts. Both have Protein levels but neither have Nitrogen levels. If your interested in a copy send me an email.

I think in this case you can safely assume the vast majority of Nitrogen in the cell is in protien, which was why I thought you looked at Nitrogen content - to gauge how much protien is in the malt.

BierMeister · Post by **BierMeister** » Thursday Nov 23, 2006 11:16 am

Yeah it's the Protein levels I ultimately want as they corrospond with one another.

/// · Post by **///** » Wednesday Nov 29, 2006 9:04 pm

heres a recent example of recent IMC

http://shop.nnlbeersupplies.com.au/inde ... cts_id=373

total protien and soluble count.

Scotty

beernut · Post by **beernut** » Thursday Nov 30, 2006 9:30 pm

Where are the hops Scotty?
Hard to brew beer without them!

/// · Post by **///** » Thursday Nov 30, 2006 10:03 pm

have ran out, wnet thru near 8 kg last weekend!

Scotty

beernut · Post by **beernut** » Thursday Nov 30, 2006 10:11 pm

Oh! OK, Thanks.I'll ring back later when you're more prepared.

/// · Post by **///** » Thursday Nov 30, 2006 10:27 pm

I have about a kg of Pride, EKG, Fuggles and NB at hand for my 'trial batches'. Can send thru, just need to order more thru. We kinda suprised ourselves doing 3 batches in 1 weekend.

Scotty

BierMeister · Post by **BierMeister** » Friday Dec 01, 2006 11:15 am

Hey do you mind doing business via email or something and not highjacking threads to do it???

chris. · Post by **chris.** » Friday Dec 01, 2006 12:14 pm

BierMeister wrote:Hey do you mind doing business via email or something and not highjacking threads to do it???

That be ///'s modus operandi

/// · Post by **///** » Friday Dec 01, 2006 12:20 pm

Would say what you have is Gardiner strain, reported as the most common these days. Sloop or Schooner is grown lesser today i have been advised.

This is 2 row malt, 6 row is not grown locally to my knowledge and is the preserve of the US maltsers. As can be widely correlated, it is a malt used with high levels of adjuncts due to enzymic strength as well as the need to dilute the nitrogen to prevent haze etc.

There should be some pic's availible of cross sections what the 2 malts look like. Try the institute site

http://www.ibd.org.uk/igbsite/home/index.asp

or Us based master brewers

http://www.mbaa.com/

These have some reference material, particuarly the IBD with an assortment of technical articles.

Scotty

BierMeister · Post by **BierMeister** » Friday Dec 01, 2006 12:29 pm

Seriously though, this is a thread about Nitrogen/protein in an All Grain forum. If you want to to sell stuff like hops or have personal jibs there are the appropriate forums for that. Eg The Store. I'm a little tired of coming onto a thread only to find I have to weave my way through b...sh.t posts that don't belong. If you want to buy/sell something make a post where its going to be seen by others that want to buy/sell something.

111222333 · Post by **111222333** » Friday Dec 01, 2006 12:59 pm

BierMeister wrote:Seriously though, this is a thread about Nitrogen/protein in an All Grain forum. If you want to to sell stuff like hops or have personal jibs there are the appropriate forums for that. Eg The Store. I'm a little tired of coming onto a thread only to find I have to weave my way through b...sh.t posts that don't belong. If you want to buy/sell something make a post where its going to be seen by others that want to buy/sell something.

not trying to take sides, but i think you'll find ///'s last post is on the topic.

BierMeister · Post by **BierMeister** » Friday Dec 01, 2006 1:30 pm

111222333 wrote:
BierMeister wrote:Seriously though, this is a thread about Nitrogen/protein in an All Grain forum. If you want to to sell stuff like hops or have personal jibs there are the appropriate forums for that. Eg The Store. I'm a little tired of coming onto a thread only to find I have to weave my way through b...sh.t posts that don't belong. If you want to buy/sell something make a post where its going to be seen by others that want to buy/sell something.
not trying to take sides, but i think you'll find ///'s last post is on the topic.

True. I was still typing my post as he posted his obviously, but mine was just as much in reply to chris's jibe at /// as it was at ///'s previous. Thank you Scott for getting back on topic and for the info.

Ross

/// · Post by **///** » Friday Dec 01, 2006 1:56 pm

Yep - sorry to deviate.

Scotty