Little Creatures Bright Ale

[l'orange]

i'm new to this forum, but it didnt take me long to see that the LCPA is undoubtably one of the favourites around here. For good reason!

But i'm an even bigger fan of the bright ale, with it's really great fruit flavour... i just cant get enough! but i have no idea about a recipe for it!

From the website it says its filtered - no idea what that means - its got a bit of pale, carapils, vienna and wheat in it. And i'm guessing saaz, chinnook and cascade hops.

Does anyone know of any recipes or have any guess? i really want an easier drinking, fruitier beer! Cheers

[gregb]

Filtering is exactly that, you keg you beer then force it through a filter to another keg. Craftbrewer sells the bits.

As for a recipie I'd start with the LCPA recipie, reduce slightly the bittering hops and increase the flavour and aroma hops.

Cheers,
Greg

[chris.]

I've tried brewing something along the lines of the BA. Came pretty damn close to it IMO (bar the filtering).

IMO Vienna & Saaz B are the key. Maybe a hint of an American "C" hop variety in there too, but lots more Saaz B.

My next attempt will be along the lines of -

70% JW Trad Pale
20% Vienna
10% JW Wheat

Mash temp around 64-5.

Bittered to 15-20 IBU @ 60mins (might try chinook this time. However I used Saaz B last time & was happy with the results)
10g Cascade (or similar) at 20min.
20g of Saaz B at 10min
20-30g of Saaz B at flameout

OG 1040-2

[Tickstar]

I tried this beer a few days ago on tap and I think I'm in love The depth of hops flavour/aroma is simply amazing.

Chris - I'd be keen to give your recipe a go, however I'm not geared up for AG. I've done one or 2 extracts though. Do you think it would work if I used the ratios you suggested but:

- Liquid LME
- mini-mash of vienna
- mini-mash of wheat

Taking into account guestimated mash efficiency?

[chris.]

Tickstar,

A partial would work well. You could even try using some wheat LME instead of mashing the wheat.
Around 500-750g of Vienna malt would be a good place to start IMO. I'd try something like:

1.5kg Coopers Wheat LME
1kg DME (or 1.2kg LME if you prefer)
750g Vienna malt
Hops as above.

[DarkFaerytale]

i found this on ahb and put it in promash, i think it's Tony's recipie on the b saaz hop of the week thread, looks good to me

LC Bright Ale

A ProMash Recipe Report

Recipe Specifics
----------------

Batch Size (L): 52.00 Wort Size (L): 52.00
Total Grain (kg): 10.50
Anticipated OG: 1.046 Plato: 11.41
Anticipated SRM: 3.4
Anticipated IBU: 22.5
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75 %
Wort Boil Time: 60 Minutes


% Amount Name Origin Potential SRM
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
66.7 7.00 kg. JWM Export Pilsner Australia 1.037 2
19.0 2.00 kg. Weyermann Vienna Germany 1.038 4
5.7 0.60 kg. JWM Wheat Malt Australia 1.040 2
5.7 0.60 kg. Weyermann Carapils (Carafoam) Germany 1.037 2
2.9 0.30 kg. Weyermann Acidulated Germany 1.000 2


Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
20.00 g. Saaz B Pellet 6.80 7.7 45 min.
20.00 g. Cascade Pellet 5.90 6.7 45 min.
30.00 g. Saaz B Pellet 6.80 4.3 20 min.
30.00 g. Cascade Pellet 5.90 3.8 20 min.
40.00 g. Saaz B Pellet 6.80 0.0 0 min.
40.00 g. Cascade Pellet 5.90 0.0 0 min.

Amount Name Type Time
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
0.10 Oz Irish Moss Fining 15 Min.(boil)

WYeast 1056 Amercan Ale/Chico

Mash Type: Single Step

Saccharification Rest Temp : 65 Time: 60
Mash-out Rest Temp : 72 Time: 10
Sparge Temp : 80 Time: 45

don't forget it's a 52L recipe that wil need to be scaled down if your making a 23 ltr batch, promash (and brobably beersmith) are good for doing that just lock ingrediants to batch size and change it from 52 to 23

cheers

-Phill

[Tickstar]

Tickstar,

A partial would work well. You could even try using some wheat LME instead of mashing the wheat.
Around 500-750g of Vienna malt would be a good place to start IMO. I'd try something like:

1.5kg Coopers Wheat LME
1kg DME (or 1.2kg LME if you prefer)
750g Vienna malt
Hops as above.

Thanks for that recipe chris. will be giving this a go as soon as the TCB Wetpak APA is done.

[illywhacker]

is "saaz b" the same as everyday saaz, or am i missing something?

i assumed them to be one and the same but when fiddling around with darkfaery's promash recipe as above (to make a mini-mash), i noticed it gave saaz b an alpha rating of 6.8, which is double that of the saaz i can get.

cheers.

[chris.]

Saaz B is a New Zealand variety. Quite different to Saaz IMO. Has more of a floral flavour to it.

[OldBugman]

Belgium Saaz as it is also named is grown in NZ and it's first batch was completely bought up by a Belgium brewery - hence the name.

[illywhacker]

right. thanks chris & bugman - makes a lot more sense. i didn't think i was tasting much czech saaz in the lcba.

incidentally, i thought the 'b' might have stood for 'bohemia saaz' - meaning still a czech variety. turns out that the 'b' stands for belgium, meaning it is a nz variety?!

not stocked at my local hbs, so i'll think i'll send craft brewer my first order.

[Ross]

NZ B Saaz
General Description This recently developed triploid variety is referred to as “B” Saaz , after a prominent Belgian brewery took a liking to it when doing brew trials. It has made a name for itself as a triploid substitute for the traditional Saaz Saaz, with a New Zealand twist. An absolutely unique Saaz like flavour has made this hop very sought after by brewers, both large and small. This new hop variety with high Farnasene imparts a distinctive citrus aroma in several beer styles. A craft brewers favourite.

For a full description of any hop or product on the CraftBrewer site, just click on the product name or picture.

cheers Ross

[Swifty]

So no-one has a good K&K for the Bright ale? I'm going to give both the Partial and all-grain a go, but with the partial would it be better to use the hop schedule from the all-grain?

[Tickstar]

Hi Swifty,

chris. mentioned in a response to one of my earlier posts that the hops schedule from the AG should be used. I'm going to give this recipe a go this weekend. My grain and hops should be arriving today (thanks Ross .

Just a question for chris. or anyone else who might know - when doing the mini-mash of vienna, do I need a base malt in there to enable conversion or does Vienna have the correct enzymes already (forgive the stoopid nOOb question)

[Swifty]

Thanks Tickstar, I'll be doing the all-grain version this weekend. I take it you are doing the Partial?? Let me know how it works out as I'll be trying that one aswell in the near future. I figured the grain bill from the all-grain might be better. Can always change it next time!

[Tickstar]

No probs Swifty

Yep - I'll be doing the partial. I'll def let you know how it goes.

Cheers

[chris.]

when doing the mini-mash of vienna, do I need a base malt in there to enable conversion or does Vienna have the correct enzymes already (forgive the stoopid nOOb question)

100% Vienna will be fine.

[Swifty]

Tickstar, how did the partial go. The all-grain turned out absolutely fantastic. Not many left though, had to try real hard not to drink them too quickly. Want to give the partial a go soon so any comments would be great. What recipe did you end up going with??