Lager recipe help

[l'orange]

Alright, so my first batch of beer is underway (A honey beer and a pale ale) and will be bottle conditioned for about a month now.

Anyway, as i'm just starting i want to get my stockpiles up, and have had two idea's for recipes, and i was wondering if anyone has any advice or changes for either.

My Asian beer i want to be like yanjing or tsing tao something from china as i love their stuff, not dry like asahi so no enzyme

Morgan golden saaz pilsner
1.5kg morgans extra pale malt extract
500 grams rice extract (bought from coles)
40grams of Saaz at 30, 20, 10, 1
Using either kit yeast or a lager yeast
filled to 22l

I want this beer to be a little sweet but not overly. I was wondering if i should use any grain in it like a crystal 10l or something? Any ideas. I want it to be nice and soft and ricey.

The other i want to be like a german style beer, sought of a nice thick (high fg) fruity lager.

Cascade golden harvest (a gift so i thought i'd use it)
1.5kg morgans pale malt extract (i thought it would be nice to have a little more colour and taste)
500grams of morgans master blends lager malt (is that too much orshould i use a specialt grain instead?)
45grams hersbrucker hops split up@ 40, 20, 5
Using maybe an ale yeast? or would lager be better?
filled to 22l

thanks guys, hopefully the two should be light but with two pretty distinct tastes. Any changes or ideas to the recipes?

Cheers

[rwh]

Not sure on the specifics, just a comment: you are using a kit plus 2kg of extras, that will get you up into the 6-6.5% range, which is pretty strong stuff.

My other recommendation: switch the kits.

I'm assuming you're splitting the Saaz up as well in the first recipe. Consider using a Belgian yeast in the second one if you're after the fruity esters? If you want a clean finish, maybe consider one of the Saflager yeasts.

[l'orange]

sounds good,

any reason to switch the kits though? hmm, i also guess what would you reccomend to lower the alcohol, as yeah, that could be a bit much.

[rwh]

Only reason I thought to switch the kits is that a Pilsener sounds more German, but the original way you had it would be fine too.

[l'orange]

anyone else got any ideas?