Question about Beez Neez recipe from newsletter

poges · Post by **poges** » Sunday Jun 17, 2007 10:35 pm

Got a local brewclub newsletter which had a Beez Neez recipe:

Lager kit
1kg dried wheat malt
1 kg honey
PoR hops
Ale yeast

Never done anything with wheat malt before and wondering why this would be done with an ale yeast and not a wheat yeast? Would this still give a wheaty taste?
Would it be better with a wheat yeast or done with a wheat kit & wheat yeast?

Cheers

poges

wildschwein · Post by **wildschwein** » Sunday Jun 17, 2007 11:55 pm

Hey. You'll probably find Matilda Bay actually uses an ale yeast for their Beez Neez beer. I know for sure they use it in their Redback wheat beer. So, the recipe you've got there may take that into account.

Ale yeasts are perfectly adequate for Australian and American style wheat beers and, in fact, are more often than not brewed with ale strains. You only have to worry about using wheat yeasts if you're trying to emulate German wheat beers.

In terms of how it turns out with an ale yeast. Well I did an enhanced kit and kilo wheat beer recently with a US-56 ale strain and it turned out pretty well. It has a nice tart wheat flavour and great head retention.

timmy · Post by **timmy** » Monday Jun 18, 2007 2:28 pm

Does anyone have an idea of the IBU's for the Beez Neez??

I'm looking to make an all extract version along the lines of:

- 1.5kg Tin Coopers Wheat Malt (50/50 barley/wheat)
- 750g Honey
- POR bittering hops (qty to be decided)
- K97 yeast
Haven't calculated the volume yet, but the honey will be added to full boil.

rwh · Post by **rwh** » Monday Jun 18, 2007 2:35 pm

I'm guessing around 17IBU. All I know is that it's hopped lightly; but don't make it too sweet.

http://www.homebrewandbeer.com/forum/vi ... php?t=4699

wildschwein · Post by **wildschwein** » Monday Jun 18, 2007 3:49 pm

timmy wrote:Does anyone have an idea of the IBU's for the Beez Neez??

Go to matilda bay's website and look for contact details. Send 'em an email and ask for the info. As far as I know they're pretty responsive to homebrewer's questions. See: http://www.matildabay.com.au/

rahne · Post by **rahne** » Monday Jun 18, 2007 5:20 pm

this is the info matlida bay gave me on how they brew beez neez
equal parts honey,
malted wheat and malted barley. The hops are obviously kept quite low
so there's not too much bitterness and it's fermented at low
temperatures to give the smoothness and drinkability

rwh has listed a topic that we came up with a close recipe hans't been tested to my knowledge the extra hops might make it a bit bitter

timmy · Post by **timmy** » Monday Jun 18, 2007 7:16 pm

Yep - I've already asked this on their site. Yet to hear anything back yet, but it's only been a day...

timmy · Post by **timmy** » Tuesday Jun 19, 2007 7:26 pm

And here's the reply...

Hi Tim,

Thanks for your email - its great to see new brewers wanting to learn
more about craft beers.

Beez Neez is brewed with equal amounts of wheat, barley and honey - just
a light amber honey. We add the honey at the end of the boil to ensure
all the honey aromatics are not boiled away in the kettle - that's
pretty important.

As for the specifications for Beez Neez, the raw numbers are as follows
:
Alcohol is 4.7%
Colour is 10
IBU is approx 15

Good Luck

regards
Brad

So, here's the recipe:

1 Tin Coopers Wheat Malt
750g Honey (Capilano Premium Blend)
8g POR (10.1% AA)

Boil malt + hops for an hour
At end of boil add honey
Top up to 14.5L and pitch some K97 or something like that

Should end up with the right IBU and Alc%, but QBrew reports the colour at 4 instead of 10 but that might be different units they're measuring.

poges · Post by **poges** » Thursday Jun 21, 2007 2:45 pm

Thanks for all the replies.

Ended up putting this one down last night.

1.25 kg coopers lager
1 kg dried wheat malt
712 gm salvation jane honey (the good wife had swiped 280 gms over the last few weeks)
12 gm PoR hops steeped about 5min
Safale s-04
Made to 23L.

Had to 'boil' the honey as it was unprocessed and remove scum and detrius from the mix.

pitched yeast at 18*. Early thismorning the wort had dropped to 14* with the freezing easterly we had here in Perth. Trying to coax it above 16* with towels.

Planning to rack in about 5 days into secondary. Contemplating a bulk prime (first attempt) with honey (but it would have to be another variety as no SJ honey left) or maybe 50/50 dex/honey.

timmy · Post by **timmy** » Thursday Jun 21, 2007 3:57 pm

I've b/p with a honey/dex mix before and it works nicely.

Sathias · Post by **Sathias** » Thursday Jun 21, 2007 4:49 pm

poges wrote:712 gm salvation jane honey (the good wife had swiped 280 gms over the last few weeks)

/me shudders

I hate to think what my reaction to that would be, I'm quite allergic to the stuff

Pale_Ale · Post by **Pale_Ale** » Thursday Jun 21, 2007 9:29 pm

Salvation Jane Honey?

Hope it turns out well. Never tasted it but hopefully it doesn't impart any unwanted flavours like euculyptus honey apparently does (hearsay but believable).

rahne · Post by **rahne** » Thursday Jun 21, 2007 10:45 pm

i don't know whether i wold have gone with the extra hops as the message i got said they keep the bitterness low the hops already in the kit would have been enough

wildschwein · Post by **wildschwein** » Friday Jun 22, 2007 4:27 pm

I conjured up this kit and kilo enhanced brew. It's not a Neez clone but is similiar in style to the lightly hopped Australian and American pale wheat ales:

BeerSmith Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: Honey Wheat
Brewer: Brewlord
Asst Brewer:
Style: American Wheat
TYPE: Extract
Taste: (35.0)

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Batch Size: 23.00 L
Boil Size: 24.14 L
Estimated OG: 1.039 SG
Estimated Color: 5.4 SRM
Estimated IBU: 17.4 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: - %
Boil Time: 5 Minutes

Ingredients:
------------
Amount Item Type % or IBU
1.70 kg Coopers Canadian Blonde (3.0 SRM) Extract 52.3 %
1.10 kg Wheat Liquid Extract (8.0 SRM) Extract 33.9 %
0.20 kg Carared (20.0 SRM) Grain 6.2 %
24.00 gm Saaz [4.00%] (5 min) (Aroma Hop-Steep) Hops -
0.25 kg Honey (1.0 SRM) Sugar 7.7 %
18.93 L Pilsen, Czech (soft) Water
1 Pkgs Cooper Ale (Coopers #-) Yeast-Ale

Mash Schedule: None
Total Grain Weight: 4.54 kg
----------------------------

Notes:
------
Steep carared grain in 1.5L of 66C water for 1 hour. Strain and sparge with 500mls of hot water into a brew kettle and add wheat malt extract and bring to the boil. Add hops and boil for 5 minutes. Flame out and add honey then strain into fermenter. Add kit contents cleaned out with 250mls of hot water and top up to 23L with cold water. Pitch yeast in the mid 20s and ferment out at 16-18C

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poges · Post by **poges** » Sunday Jun 24, 2007 12:18 am

Yeah, know the hops use in the real stuff is minimal but thought that much malt, the reduced amount of kit and a proposed 4 month maturation would settle the bitterness down a bit.

Took about 24 hours till she was bubbling away. Sitting on 17*C and seems to be purring along.

SJ honey should be okay in terms of unwanted tastes, not eucalypt based.

Ash · Post by **Ash** » Tuesday Jun 26, 2007 10:57 am

I'm about to make something in a similar vein, but direct clones aren't my thing....

1.5kg tin Coopers Wheat extract (think it's 50:50 barley/wheat)
500gm LDME
750GM Capilano Honey
250gm 145EBC Crystal
10gm PoR @ 60min
10gm Amarillo @ 20min
10gm Cascade @ 10min

US56/US05 (whatever they call it) yeast

timmy · Post by **timmy** » Monday Sep 03, 2007 8:25 am

timmy wrote:
1 Tin Coopers Wheat Malt
750g Honey (Capilano Premium Blend)
8g POR (10.1% AA)

Boil malt + hops for an hour
At end of boil add honey
Top up to 14.5L and pitch some K97 or something like that

An update on this one - I made the above about a month ago with the slight addition of 10-15g of Cascade at the end of the boil. It came out bloody nice! I reckon if the Cascade wasn't there it would be extremely close to a Beez Neez. But the late addition gives it a fruity kick which is delicious. Will have to do this one again for sure... (btw I used a Coopers Wheat yeast to ferment with)

wildschwein · Post by **wildschwein** » Saturday Sep 08, 2007 12:04 pm

Yeah, that looks like a nice simple one that would be good for summer. Will have to give it a try at some point. Can you taste the honey?

poges · Post by **poges** » Saturday Sep 08, 2007 1:05 pm

Finally got back to post a tasting note.

This was a really sensation brew. I racked it for about a week and cold conditioned in the bottle for another (my first attempt at both) and was really happy with the beer clarity and taste. The misses and a few luckt tasters loved it. Honey has certainly there but not overbearing.

I found it lost some sweetness after the first 6 weeks in the bottle and take it that was some unfermented sugars (?) finally brewing out. The honey taste is still there but is more subdued. The POR hops didn't overpower this brew which was good.