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Fermenter Smell

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Hey, I'm a novice brewer. Still doing K&K type brews (with the extra grains and hops), and just coming back from a 3 month period of no brewing . :o

Well, Ive noticed my fermenter (30L coopers) has a smell of off beer. I believe the reason was leaving it for a short while without cleaning it out after finishing one of the brews.

Is this a serious problem with my future brews (putting one on tonight)? Is there something i can put in there to help clean out the smell? Is it serious enough to invest in a new fermenter? (which i was planning on doing, so i could use the 2nd one for secondary fermentation.)

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I would soak it with sodium metabisulfate for a day or two... I tend to do this will every fermenter i'm finished with before starting another brew.

I tend to leave it for a couple of days, then rinse with cool boiled water a few time. The reason why i let is soak is because bacteria/wild yeast can grow in the tap and soaking it allows the stelilser to penetrate those sorts of areas.

I think you could use bleach too but i'm not sure of the dilutions you should use.

If you can, i prolly wouldnt brew tonight, rather, id sterlise and soak for 24hours... RINSE THOROUGHLY... before you brew...

The fumes are quite strong too
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Soaking it will mean it is clean and sterile... rather than just removing the smell...

Also.... depending on how serious you are about brewing, you could always go out and grab another fermenter, you're bound to need another one soon...

But i wouldnt grab a new one simply because of the smell... that can be fixed...
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Yeah just give it good clean and soak with your sanataion products of choice. All plastic fermenters hold some smell, it's mainly hops stench and there isn't a lot you can do to removed it totally. As long as you've sanatised it wil be fine. The smell of the next beer will overpower the remants of the last.
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wildschwein wrote:Yeah just give it good clean and soak with your sanataion products of choice. All plastic fermenters hold some smell, it's mainly hops stench and there isn't a lot you can do to removed it totally. As long as you've sanatised it wil be fine. The smell of the next beer will overpower the remants of the last.
I give mine a scrub with bicarb paste every now and then, rinse with vinegar solution, then soak in water/vinegar/bleach solution overnight.
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If your dead keen on brewing tonight, i'd just throw half a cup of bleach in your carboy, fill it to the top with cold water and leave it for at least an hour. Run the water out through your tap, give it a good rinse and away you go.
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With my new brew, I bought brewshield from brewcraft. Its a sanitiser that uses Hydrogen Peroxide, Silver ions, and distilled water, so you dont have to rinse it afterwards. Previously I have been using Coopers Metabisulphate, but got annoyed because I had to leave it in overnight. (No spur of the moment brewing :P) Will this brewshield do the job? How long do I have to leave it for, and do I fill the fermenter to the top with a mixture of this and water? It doesnt say that, but it mentions that when sanitising, use a mixture of 30mL per litre of water. Using that much would use 4 bottles of this stuff a fermenter.

So do I just pour it around the surface of the fermenter?

Sorry about all the questions. Just trying not to screw up my beer too badly :P
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I've never used the product but I definitely wouldn't be filling my carboy and using 4 bottles of the stuff. Sounds like it could be one of those sanitisers that you can mix in a spray bottle and just spray all the surfaces inside the carboy. Personally if you've got a very strong beer odour, i'd bleach first, then rinse, then spray with your stuff.
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Noodles wrote:I've never used the product but I definitely wouldn't be filling my carboy and using 4 bottles of the stuff. Sounds like it could be one of those sanitisers that you can mix in a spray bottle and just spray all the surfaces inside the carboy. Personally if you've got a very strong beer odour, i'd bleach first, then rinse, then spray with your stuff.
Yea, just talked to a friend who uses the stuff. 1 Litre of water, and 30mL's of brewshield goes into the fermenter, mixed around so it touches every surface. Another 1 litre of water and 30mL's of brewshield in a jug, so it can be poured over the rest of the equipment. I'm probably going to use the bleach for an hour like you said (along with the equipment thrown it), then afterwards do a quick rinse with brewshield. The smell was there before my last brew, which it didn't seem to affect too much.
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Tim... wrote:The smell was there before my last brew, which it didn't seem to affect too much.
I wouldn't be too stressed then, good brewing,
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I put the new brew on (Leffe Blonde Clone), but after its finished, I'm going to clean it out with sodium metabisulphate for 2 days as James L mentioned. Or possibly follow Kevnlis' idea with the bicarb paste and vinegar/bleach solution.

How much of each do you use? And where do I get bicarb paste?
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I make the bicarb paste by adding a bit of water to some bicarb and mixing it until it forms a thick paste like toothpaste, I then use a plastic scrubby sponge to scrub the entire fermentor (if you are using a carboy this would be pretty tough to do) and I then rinse with a few tablespoons (I don't measure I just add a good glug glug) of vinegar and give it a good rinse with that, then I add a few litres of hot water and about the same amount of bleach and vingar (a few tablespoons or so again), I empty and rinse 3 more times with clean water to be sure it is all gone!
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Post by geoffclifton »

Guys, 'soaking' with sod met solution, as in filling the fermenter with water, is doing nothing at all until you pour off the solution. The residual sod met then gives off a sulphurous gas and that is what does the sterilizing. Also hot water ruins sod met.

For a soaker use unscented bleach at 4-8ppm which is 1/4-1/2 a cup measure in 25l. Alternatively use half a cup of napisan and fill with water. Then to be sure, rinse, put a heaped teaspoon of sod met in with 500ml of water, shake, pour off (reserse for other uses if you wish), put the lid on and leave it for a few hours rotating occaisionally. Remember the gas is doing the work, don't breath it either. Rinse with clean water and you will have a very sanitized brew vessel.

Bleach is a very cheap and good cleanser. I was soaking my bottles in blue drums but nearly got frostbite fishing them out in winter so I've changed. As I drink them I give three good shake rinses with hot water, two shots from a spray bottle filled with neat bleach then fill with cold water and put them in a crate. On bottling day I whip through them with a bottle brush while in the crate, empty, quick rinse with hot water and onto the tree. It's working well.

For the fermenters I prefer a 24 hour full soak with no frills napisan as it just melts off krausen crusts, sponge out, rinse then 1/2 tsp sod met shaken through with 500ml water, drain, no rinse and hang upside down while I prepare the next brew.

Everyone seems to find their own sweet spot that works. Bottles are still a pain but I've got the time down to half what it took me when I started almost a year ago. I'm also making good beer :)

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Post by Zuma »

2L cold water and 4tbs sodium met.

Have not had one infection since.
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Zuma wrote:2L cold water and 4tbs sodium met.

Have not had one infection since.
It's not the infections I'm worrying about, it's the smell. (only infection I have had is because I didn't clean the tap out properly, and it seemed to get an infection in each bottle (just some skin, and very carbonated))

I am yet to finish my current brew, so I haven't been able to follow Kevnlis' guide.
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Tim... wrote:
Zuma wrote:2L cold water and 4tbs sodium met.

Have not had one infection since.
It's not the infections I'm worrying about, it's the smell. (only infection I have had is because I didn't clean the tap out properly, and it seemed to get an infection in each bottle (just some skin, and very carbonated))

I am yet to finish my current brew, so I haven't been able to follow Kevnlis' guide.
I often get hops smells stuck in my fermentor and this sorts them out, make sure you give it a couple days airing out after the clean. Then give it a good sanitisation before the next brew.
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Post by nt »

Go get another fermenter, it is $60 at Kmart until 5th sep.
And of cause keep the one you have.

If you bleach it, the choline odor would probably mask any hops smell there. Which you need to rinse it a fair bit and finish with boiling water.
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Post by r.magnay »

Jesus!! it's no wonder you blokes are all on water restrictions over there! the homebrewers are emptying the bloody dams just washing bottles and fermenters, That's before you even start turnig water into beer!
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Post by rwh »

I clean my fermenters with a couple of litres of water, a scrub, pull the tap apart and clean, clean out the tap thread. Then a rinse with another litre (which is clean enough to go into my grey water bucket), followed by a batch of 5L of idophor shacken around inside, which is then used to sanitise anything else I need.

Total water use: 8L.
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rwh wrote:5L of idophor shacken around inside, which is then used to .
1lt iodophor in a spray bottle here :wink: I only use about 1/2 of it.
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