Using a kit as bittered malt

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drtom
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Using a kit as bittered malt

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Hi All,

I have a Cascade Golden Harvest Lager kit sitting in my cupboard. I bought 2 ages ago (I think they were on special), and made up one of them. It was without doubt the worst beer I've made, and I don't think it was just technique. ;-)

Anyway, I was figuring that if I gave it a good boil, I could drive off any flavour/aroma, and could just use it as a bittered malt base
for making something completely different. For example I have a wheat beer brewing with Wyeast 3787 (Trappist). I wondered about using the bittered malt base with some extra dry wheat malt extract and pitching on to the 3787 yeast cake. Not much harm or expense in trying. Has anyone tried this kind of kit re-engineering before?

T.
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Re: Using a kit as bittered malt

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It works pretty effectively. You shouldn't have any dramas.
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Re: Using a kit as bittered malt

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Great! So the next question is: Does anyone have any idea how many IBUs I'm getting from the kit?

T.
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Re: Using a kit as bittered malt

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From Foster's who make this kit

The BU’s on the Cascade homebrew range are:

Spicy Ghost Draft - 18
Imperial Voyage Pale Ale - 25
Chocolate Mahogany Porter - 19
Golden Harvest Lager - 22

The beer ex the kits is formulated to have the following final product colours (expressed in EBC units)

Spicy Ghost = 5
Imperial Voyage Pale Ale = 13
Chocolate Mahogany = 31
Golden Harvest Lager = 8

Hope this helps
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Re: Using a kit as bittered malt

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That's great thanks earle!

Since I'll pitch it on to a belgian yeast cake, I didn't want it too bitter, but since I'll add more malt, I wanted enough to make sure it wouldn't be too sweet. I'd guess 22 IBUs will be fine, though I'm no expert (or I wouldn't ask the questions I do!).

cheers,
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Re: Using a kit as bittered malt

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I use Coopers Real Ale like this... its got about 30 IBU's and not a great deal of flavor/aroma hops. I dont boil the kit extract tho

I do two recipies with it.

Real Porter
- Coopers Real
- 1kg LDME
- 200gm Chocolate (steeped)
- 20gms Fuggles 15mins
- 20gms Fuggles 0mins
- Nottingham or Windsor Yeast

Real Yankee
- Coopers Real
- 1kg LDME
- 200gm Crystal (steeped)
- 20gms Cascade 15mins
- 20gms Cascade 0mins
- American Ale Yeast

Method For both:

Steep grains for 30mins and boil with 500gms of LDME. Add hops as indicated...

Pitch yeast, ferment, bottle enjoy :)
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Re: Using a kit as bittered malt

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Since I'll pitch it on to a belgian yeast cake, I didn't want it too bitter, but since I'll add more malt, I wanted enough to make sure it wouldn't be too sweet. I'd guess 22 IBUs will be fine, though I'm no expert (or I wouldn't ask the questions I do!).
Sounds like its worth a try. I agree that you don't want to much bitterness, you should get some tartness from the wheat and good flavours from the yeast - a light belgian style ale perhaps. Probably not to style but Belgian Blond Ales can have bitterness as low as 15.
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