JS Golden Ale Clone

[Wassa]

Guys, you just have to try this recipe. It's simple to make and tastes fantastic. I have just sampled a bottle with only 6 weeks bottle age and not my usual 3 months bottle aging and it is absolutely great.

Recipe is:

1 can Coopers Pale Ale
1kg LDME
15gm Amarillo for 15 min
15gm Amarillo at 5 min
15gm Amarillo at flame out
15gm Amarillo dry hopped

Brought 4 litres of water to boil, dissolved LDME. added hop additions as per above. allowed to cool than added to fermenter. Topped up to 22 litres. Pitched with US05 yeast.

[timmy]

Yum!

I would tend to sub in a tin of Coopers Wheat Malt (1.5kg) for the LDME to give it the wheat addition so it would be more true to the original.

Cheers,

Tim

[Planner]

Guys, you just have to try this recipe. It's simple to make and tastes fantastic. I have just sampled a bottle with only 6 weeks bottle age and not my usual 3 months bottle aging and it is absolutely great.

Wassa

Did this using a Coopers Real Ale and missed on the 5min addition (only had 50g), and I have to agree 6weeks it was great and getting better. Bought more amarillo today. This will be the first repeat in 14 brews, this time using DrSmurtos suggestion of lager tin and 250g crystal.


Planner

[Wassa]

Planner and Jimmy,

Points taken on board about the wheat malt, and about DRSMurto's clone.

I just did this because I had evryrthing on hand and when it turned out so good, I thought I'd share it around.

I am going to do the Little Creatures clone when it warms up a bit, but this beer is just so tasty. I'm finding it hard to drink stubbies of Coopers Sparkling Ale when I have this sitting there, but I have to be good and leave some to mature until they are 3 months old.

[Planner]

Guys, you just have to try this recipe. It's simple to make and tastes fantastic. I have just sampled a bottle with only 6 weeks bottle age and not my usual 3 months bottle aging and it is absolutely great.

Recipe is:

1 can Coopers Pale Ale
1kg LDME
15gm Amarillo for 15 min
15gm Amarillo at 5 min
15gm Amarillo at flame out
15gm Amarillo dry hopped

Brought 4 litres of water to boil, dissolved LDME. added hop additions as per above. allowed to cool than added to fermenter. Topped up to 22 litres. Pitched with US05 yeast.

Wassa

Mixed this up last weekend but used 7.5g Amarillo and 7.5g Cascade for each hop addition.
The smell in the shed where it's happily burbing away is fantastic. Can't wait for this to be ready.

Planner

[Wassa]

Planner,

Look forward to seeing your tasting notes. Should turn out OK. I am a huge fan of Cascade, but also just love what Amarillo and Chinook do to a brew as well.

Wassa

[Planner]

Look forward to seeing your tasting notes. Should turn out OK. I am a huge fan of Cascade, but also just love what Amarillo and Chinook do to a brew as well.

Wassa

Left it for 3 weeks as usual, now after 6 weeks its drinking fantastic (but almost all gone). Will be making another batch this weekend after doing some bottling. Never had a crack at Chinook as LHBS doesn't stock it, but must give it a go one day, as I have only heard good reports.

Had a few weeks off due to the hot weather, but now production underway again thanks to the use of the 150l esky I had forgotten about in the shed. Both fermenters happily sitting at 18deg even through 40deg heatwave 2 weeks ago, just with 1.25l frozen bottle being changed each arvo.

Planner.

[Wassa]

Planner,

If you want to get some Chinook then try Craftbrewer. Roos is great to deal with and orders arrive withing 3 days of placing them.

That's where I get all my malt, hops and yeast these days.

Wassa

[pmclaren11]

15gm Amarillo for 15 min
15gm Amarillo at 5 min
15gm Amarillo at flame out
15gm Amarillo dry hopped

I am really keen to give this recipe a crack as I love JS Golden Ale, however, in relation to the hop additions I have to ask a 'basic' question....

From the recipe it reads that you need 60 gms of hops all up all added at different times of the boil ect. I don't think I have ever used this much hops before, I'm guessing it's going to be very hoppy (and tasty, I love amarillo)?

Where it states 15gm Amarillo at 5 min, does this mean 5 mins into the initial 15 min timeframe?

The way I read it is that the hops are boiled for a total of 15 mins, the second addition is essentially boiled for 10 mins? Do you then strain the mixture into the fermenter or add all of the floaties in as well?

I am also proposing to use Liquid Light Malt Extract (Blackrock), will this be a suitable alternative?

I know this is a lot of questions but I want to get it right.

Cheers,

Paul.

[Wassa]

Paul,

Using liquid malt will be fine. I used what I had on hand at the time.

As for the hop additions, they are a lot, but Golden Ale is a hoppy beer. Where do you think that massive passionfruit taste and nose come from.

What I did was boil water and add the malt and bring it back up to the boil. I then added the 15 minute addition so it would boil for 15 minutes. Then with 10 minutes to go in the boil I added the 10 minute addition, then the % minute addition , then when I had finished the boil I added the flameout addition. I then transferred to the fermenter added the necessary amount of water to the mixture and dry hopped the remaining addition, took a opening gravity reading with the hydrometer and pitched US05. BTW I waited until the mixture had cooled to 18 degrees before pitching yeast.


Hope this helps.

Wassa

[drsmurto]

My 2 c.

JS Golden Ale isn't that hoppy a beer. It used to be but the amarillo aroma is fairly restrained these days.

That's not to say this recipe wont produce a beautiful beer, i have no doubt it will. It will just be hoppier than JSGA and i, for one, think that's a good thing!

JSGA contains ~30% wheat

From the Malt Shovel site

James Squire Golden Ale's rich orange-amber colour comes from toasted grains of wheat and barley, while new season Amarillo hops create a tropical fruit aroma with restrained bitterness. Mild carbonation and a dry finish make this an ideal thirst-slaking beer

And dont forget to keep the carbonation down. Its not a spritzy beer at all!

I need to grab a carton of commercial beers for a fishing charter this weekend and will be reacquainting myself with JSGA. Its been a while since i had one.

Cheers
DrSmurto

p.s. if you are trying to clone JSGA you will need a small crystal malt addition for colour and for the subtle toffee/caramel flavour.

[drsmurto]

Had several JSGAs over the weekend and really enjoyed it.

A bit more hop flavour and aroma than i recall the last time i drank it.

Got me thinking about a few tweaks i can make to my AG version........

[Planner]

Had several JSGAs over the weekend and really enjoyed it.

Me too, was pleasantly surprised to find it on the free beer list at Fridays work xmas do.
Difficult choice, VB, Boags or JSGA. Probably enjoyed it a little too much judging by Saturdays performance (or lack of).

Planner

[warra48]

Difficult choice, VB, Boags or JSGA. Probably enjoyed it a little too much judging by Saturdays performance (or lack of).
Planner

No choice at all really, it has to be JSGA all the way if you enjoy the Amarillo hop hit.
Boags when the JSGA runs out.
When that runs out, it's gotta be water.
You couldn't lower yourself to VB, surely?
Hic, I just burped up a nice hit of Cascade from my latest APA. Lovely.

[Tipsy]

Difficult choice, VB, Boags or JSGA. Probably enjoyed it a little too much judging by Saturdays performance (or lack of).
Planner

No choice at all really, it has to be JSGA all the way if you enjoy the Amarillo hop hit.
Boags when the JSGA runs out.
When that runs out, it's gotta be water.
You couldn't lower yourself to VB, surely?
Hic, I just burped up a nice hit of Cascade from my latest APA. Lovely.

I'm sure I can detect a little sarcasm it Planners post Warra, at least I hope so.

[Planner]

I'm sure I can detect a little sarcasm it Planners post Warra, at least I hope so.

Definate sarcasm Tipsy, but I'm not that much of a beer snob to turn down free beer of ANY variety.

"A man may not complain about he variety or flavour of beer in a mates fridge, although feel free to complain at length about temperature"

Planner

[jello]

"A man may not complain about he variety or flavour of beer in a mates fridge, although feel free to complain at length about temperature"

Planner

If it's wet and cold, then there will be no complaints coming from my direction. Unless of course it's mid-strength beer.

[pmclaren11]

Thanks for this recipe, this is the tastiest brew I have done - I think this may now be my house standard.

However, I did read in earlier posts to add some crystal malt and wheat.

Can anyone suggest how much of these to add to the original recipe - I would love to try it and see the difference.

Thanks,

Paul.

[earle]

The version I make has
1.7kg Thomas Coopers Sparkling Ale Kit
1.0kg Morgans Wheat Malt Extract
200g light crystal steeped
Similar hopping schedule to first post except no dry hop

Wheat malt extract is a mixture of wheat/barley malt so the proportion of wheat is lower than you would first think, hopefully somewhere close to the 30% that Doc quoted above.

Now that the morgans wheat extract only comes in 1.5 kg tins, my next batch will have 1.5kg wheat extract because I can't be bothered to use part tins. May have to modify the hops schedule to keep the balance.

[drsmurto]

Thanks for this recipe, this is the tastiest brew I have done - I think this may now be my house standard.

However, I did read in earlier posts to add some crystal malt and wheat.

Can anyone suggest how much of these to add to the original recipe - I would love to try it and see the difference.

Thanks,

Paul.

Check out this recipe - Link

Scroll down to the Brewer's notes for the kit version