Boiling hops

[adz2332]

Hey all

Making a brew tonight.
Anyway the recipe calls for the following -
20g Centennial boiled for 30 min
40g Amarillo boiled for 20 min
40g Amarillo boiled for 10 min

Can i do it this way instead.
boil up a big pot of 5ltrs of water add the Centennial then 10 mins later the Amarillo then another 10mins add the other Amarillo?
Then throw the lot into the fermenter??

Thats still right yer?

[Anna]

I'm curious - how else would you do it?

[earle]

If the method you describe is the same as that used in the recipe that your using then you won't go far wrong. But if that hop schedule was used in a boil with malt then you'll get a very different result. Does the recipe have any more info?

The bitterness you extract from hops depends on the alpha acid content of the hops and the gravity of your boil (how much fermentables per water). You can use a tool such a beersmith to calculate this or a calculator such as this one http://www.grainandgrape.com.au/Calcula ... p_calc.htm. I figure if you're going to spend the money on hops then its good to calculate what you're doing to get a good result. I usually do a small boil (3-6litres) which has the same gravity as my final volume

e.g 1.7kg kit + 1.5kg liquid malt = 3.2kg in 23L final volume
so 3.2kg/23L final volume x 6L boil = approx 850g of malt extract in 6L boil

Hope this helps

Cheers
Earle

[adz2332]

I'm curious - how else would you do it?

how else? lol *cough cough* stupid me was going to do it in 3 seperate pans with around 1-5 to 2 lrts of water in each... then boil seperate for 30 mins, 20 mins etc then tip all the pots into the fermenter

[adz2332]

heres the recipe and how to

2 x 1.5kg Coopers LME tins (pale)
500g Dextrose
20g Centennial @ 30 min
40g Amarillo @ 20 min
40g Amarillo @ 10 min

Do a 5L boil, add 1/3 of one of the LME tins to the boil then add your hop additions. After the boil is done, strain it into the fermenter, add the rest of your LME and the Dex to get the gravity around 1050-1060, cool and pitch Nottingham or US-05 as desired.

Centennial 20g @ 30mins
Amarillo 40g @ 20 mins
Amarillo 40g @ 10 mins

a great beer!

[earle]

Ha ha. I see your'e cruising 2 forums at once like me. Looks like you've got it pretty sorted on the other but for completeness here I'll put an answer anyway.

Definately replicate the 5L of water and 1/3 can malt like the original recipe other wise you will end up with a brew which is a lot more bitter. Add the hops in the order that you described in the first post. I wouldn't bother straining the hops out but leave them go into the fermenter. I leave them in all my brews and most of them settle out before bottling. I do leave ales for 3 weeks though, lets hops and yeast settle out.

[drsmurto]

You need to boil the hops in a malt solution.

Generally speaking, an OG of 1.040 is used when doing small boils as its approximately the sweet spot as far as hop utilisation is concerned. (the ability for the alpha acids to be isomerised to iso-alpha acids)

If you boil in water you get a much higher bitterness and in my experience as a noob kit brewer a few years ago, very little flavour and aroma.

So if you have a recipe that lists hop additions you need to follow what the brewer listed to achieve the same result. By changing it you will change the resulting bitterness, flavour and aroma.

[adz2332]

Ha ha. I see your'e cruising 2 forums at once like me. Looks like you've got it pretty sorted on the other but for completeness here I'll put an answer anyway.

Definately replicate the 5L of water and 1/3 can malt like the original recipe other wise you will end up with a brew which is a lot more bitter. Add the hops in the order that you described in the first post. I wouldn't bother straining the hops out but leave them go into the fermenter. I leave them in all my brews and most of them settle out before bottling. I do leave ales for 3 weeks though, lets hops and yeast settle out.

Cheers mate.. sounds pretty straight forward then. hopefully!

Haha yer i do both forums. Mainly so i dont A. bug to many people on one forum with silly questions and B. can ask kinda the same questions but in a different way to new people just so im 100% clear and dont sound to stupid! lol

Thanks for the help tho mate! appreciate it

[adz2332]

this is what im running with

Do a 5L boil, add 1/3 of one of the LME tins to the boil.
Add 20g Centennial
10 mins later 40g Amarillo
10 mins later 40g Amarillo
Turn off

After the boil is done into the fermenter, add the rest of your LME and the Dex
cool and pitch US-05
a great beer!

[Anna]

I'm curious - how else would you do it?

how else? lol *cough cough* stupid me was going to do it in 3 seperate pans with around 1-5 to 2 lrts of water in each... then boil seperate for 30 mins, 20 mins etc then tip all the pots into the fermenter

Aw, c'mon! You're not serious - just pullin' our legs, right?

[earle]

Sound great but you're forgetting one important step - stand near the pot so you can smell you hops.
Mmmmm amarillo

[Anna]

... and don't turn your back for a second! Little buggers like to HOP all over your stove!

[adz2332]

haha

thanks guys and girls ill let you know how it turns out.
Has had arve reviews from some people!!

[earle]

Whereabouts are you locates adz. There might be someone on this board nearby.

[adz2332]

I live near tea tree plaza. South Australia

[bullfrog]

this is what im running with

Do a 5L boil, add 1/3 of one of the LME tins to the boil.
Add 20g Centennial
10 mins later 40g Amarillo
10 mins later 40g Amarillo
Turn off

After the boil is done into the fermenter, add the rest of your LME and the Dex
cool and pitch US-05
a great beer!

You'll want to wait another ten minutes after the last hop addition before turning the heat off.

I also dump the rest of my ingredients (so, in this case, the rest of your malt and your dex) into the boil with about five minutes to go, too, just to sterilise those.

This is a good recipe. I made it with Nottingham and it goes down a treat.

[drsmurto]

I live near tea tree plaza. South Australia

Not far away from Beerbelly

Full extract now, AG cant be far away.

If you are interested in seeing an AG brew being done so you can see how easy it is let me know.

I'm not that far away. Just up the hill at Mt Torrens.

[Finnagann]

I also dump the rest of my ingredients (so, in this case, the rest of your malt and your dex) into the boil with about five minutes to go, too, just to sterilise those.

What about a hot break for the rest of the malt? Is it not nesesary?

[earle]

I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong but I think concensus has been that with malt extract there is not much to be achieved with a hot break. In any case, if its liquid malt mine just goes straight into the fermenter apart from the amount used in the hop boil. If it was dry malt, dex or maltodextrin I would add late in the boil to kill any potential bugs.

[bullfrog]

What about a hot break for the rest of the malt? Is it not nesesary?

This is just my understanding, but when you buy LME, it has already been boiled so has already gone through hot and cold break. You'd want to keep it in mind if converting this recipe to AG, though.

EDIT: Beaten by earle.