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err my bad! is to.

drsmurto wrote:30 mins?

It reads 20 mins to me but then i may need to out my glasses on.

I always do a 90 min boil regardless on when the first hop addition is.

Agreed, and agreed

And also when should i add the pale malt extract?

At flameout or just before it.

drsmurto wrote:At flameout or just before it.

Agreed again...

Excuse me while I do a bit of threadromancy here...

I've had a bit of luck with following kit-and-kilo. It's not perfect, but for beginners who want to approximate the passionfruity goodness that is Knappstein, I reckon it's pretty close.

Brewcraft Munich Lager
1kg LDME
25g Nelson Sauvin @ 15 min
Saflager S-23

I fermented this at about 15 degrees (not having a brewfridge meant that I had to take advantage of a coldsnap a few weeks ago, and brew in the coldest part of the house) for 14 days and then bottled. I'm a budget brewer - and therefore don't have a second fermenter for racking - but I honestly reckon you can get away with it in this case. Remember, it's just a kit-and-kilo, not an all-grain masterpiece.

Made this sucker last sat arvo. Ive got it in my brew fridge at 11 degrees but i am not sure if the yeast has kicked off as yet. First of the air lock hasnt moved. I know you dont go by the air lock but the water is sitting level still. There is condensation on the lid and some gunk around the edges of the top of the brew. I took a gravity reading when i put it down. If i checked it when i get home would there be much difference in the reading even if its fermenting been a lager and all as lagers are a slower fermenter??
Oh by the way the yeast is the Budvar Lager wyeast and that was kicking over ok before i pitched it

From your description, it sounds like the fermentation is proceeding at a nice gentle rate... exactly what you are looking to achieve in a lager.

+1 leave it alone for a month,then take another reading

anyone got a definitive on this recipe yet? I'm drinking one right now and the recipe with 5% melanoiden sounds pretty close, just curious on the hopping schedule and best yeast, being a lager(???) what lager yeast would be reccomended, San fran sisco??

also, another observation, after smelling the glass when trying to get every last drop from the bottle, it has a string boquet of grainy malt, would some carapils or perhaps even an aromatic weyerman specialtly grain help achieve that flavour.

As i've pointed out before...Knappstein only has 1 hop & 1 grain in their brewery.
JW Pils & NS hops. Tastes like it as well to me, having little substance to back it up.
It's a beer I can enjoy 1 of, but not a session. For a yeast you cant go past Swiss Lager (S-189).

cheers ross

the melanoiden would just be to discount the need for a decoction mash though.

This article quotes the brewer as saying 2 x NS then late hallertau

http://www.microbrewing.com.au/default. ... etype=news

Really? Late Hallertau? I wouldn't have picked that... Actually, I was thinking more of early hallertau, and a heap of NS towards the end of the boil for flavour and aroma so as not to cause uber-bitterness.

Ross wrote:As i've pointed out before...Knappstein only has 1 hop & 1 grain in their brewery.
JW Pils & NS hops. Tastes like it as well to me, having little substance to back it up.
It's a beer I can enjoy 1 of, but not a session. For a yeast you cant go past Swiss Lager (S-189).

cheers ross

Yup, which is why i add melanoidin and use Weyerman pils. Bulks it up a tad.

Used budvar 2000 last time but may give 2124 or 2206 a go in the next one......

Beersmith is evil, it made me waste my whole night.
Here is my result.
Oh, first effort at a partial. It's only going to be 12L cos I don't have enough extract heheh.
Does it look right??

Batch Size: 12.00 L
Boil Size: 5.00 L
Ingredients
Amount Item Type % or IBU
1.00 kg Light Dry Extract (15.8 EBC) Dry Extract 47.62 % (added after boil)
1.00 kg Pilsner (2 Row) Bel (3.9 EBC) Grain 47.62 %
0.10 kg Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (118.2 EBC) Grain 4.76 % (cos I need to get rid of it)
15.00 gm Nelson Sauvin [11.40 %] (40 min) Hops 28.8 IBU
10.00 gm Nelson Sauvin [11.40 %] (10 min) Hops 7.9 IBU
10.00 gm Nelson Sauvin [11.40 %] (10 min) (Aroma Hop-Steep) Hops -
1 Pkgs Budvar Lager (Wyeast Labs #2000) Yeast-Lager

Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.051 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.013 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 4.93 %
Bitterness: 36.7 IBU

Looks fine to me mate. Give it a whirl and report back.