Sparkling Golden Ale

[James L]

this will be my maiden voyage with amarillo... but if its everything its cracked up to be... i'm looking forward to many more brewing voyages with this hop.....

ok...
20g at 60.
15g at 15,
15g at 5

Still gives 30.1 IBUs... so i might go that, and the 10g that i've saved i'll chuck in at secondary..... YEYA

[Pale_Ale]

*BUMP*

Rather than start a new thread its time to resurrect this one.

I have loads of amarillo in the freezer and no more of the JSGA clones to drink. Also have one empty keg.

Looking at the JSGA description on the website - Link

So what do the fans of this beer think of this recipe as a modification of the original recipe Pale_ale posted?

1 x Thomas Coopers Sparkling Ale kit
1.5 kg Coopers wheat malt extract
15g amarillo @ 15
15g amarillo @ 5
15g amarillo - dry hopped at rack and/or keg
US56, 18degC, 1 week primary, 1 week secondary.

Cheers
DrSmurto

Put the follolwing down yesterday:

Thomas Coopers Sparkling Ale
1.5kg Coopers Wheat Malt Extract
100g Crystal malt
15g Amarillo @ 10
15g Amarillo @ 2
15g Amarillo dry hopped in secondary (only in the primary now)
US-56

Pitched @ 22C and was down to nominal temp of 16C within 60 minutes.

Will keep @ 16C, rack to secondary and keep @ 16C for 2 weeks, then bring it down to 4C for one month of cold conditioning.

The reason for adding the crystal is that the wheat will take out some of the colour and I'd like to get it a bit closer to the kegged Golden Ale which appears to me to be darker.

Initial wort tasting reveals more than adequate bitterness, the kit is extremely well bittered as the Thomas Cooper series of cans is designed to have 1.5kg malt added - it is hopped with this in mind.

Finger crossed drsmurto, I'll post results.

[James L]

Made mt JSGA clone on saturday...

1.5kg Pale Liquid Malt
1.7kg Extra Light Liquid Malt
250g Light dry malt extract
250g dry wheat malt extract.
250g Carapils (steeped 30mins 65C)
100g Crystal (steeped 30mins 65C).

20g Amarillo (60mins)
15g Amarillo (15mins)
15g Amarillo (5 mins).

US-56 yeast

IBUs 30.3
SRMs 8.4 (very golden)
Alc% 5.2

Brewing at 20C

will leave for 2 weeks, then CC for 2 weeks at 4, before bottling.

I'll tell you how it goes
Cheers

[drsmurto]

Ended up going with this
1 x grumpys 25IBU pale extract
1.5 kg coopers wheat extract (which is a 50/50 blend of wheat/barley)
20g amarillo @ 10, 5 mins.

Had a good chat with Voosher at Grumpys over this recipe whilst knocking off a few pints of handpulled scottish 80 and a nice stout. Upped the amarillo to try and balance the extra sweetness you will get from the wheat which is why i also opted to not add any crystal malts. I dont want this sweet, the JSGA is very dry. Yes, i wont get the colour right so Pale_Ale, yours will be closer in that regard. I will taste at rack and decide if it needs a significant dry hop altho i probably wont be able to resist!

US56 with the aim of keeping it at 18-20 for a week. I go on holidays on Friday for a week so timing is out. Will check gravity and see if i can rack it and leave it for a week before ccing for a few weeks at 2degC with the aim of putting this on tap for the last Saturday in September.

Cheers
DrSmurto

[muddy]

Am drinking an Amarillo extract now.

3 kgs lme
.5 ldme
500 carapils
14gm nth Brewer 60-mins
14 gm amarillo 30, 20 , 10, 5, 1.
14gm cascade dryhopped.
safale 56

Grain steeped 30 mins in 2 litres. Strain add water to 7 litres, 1kg lme + ldme, boil and hop per schedule. Add remaining lme at flmaeout. Top to 20 litres.

Fermented at 17-18deg C. 1 week primary 1 week secondary.

Kegged on Sat before footy and 3 of us gave it an almighty shake that evening.

Is just lovely.

Bitter, amarillo ....dribble.

I tried to recreate Five Islands Esme Bitter and IMHO this is pretty close.

(Esme has the flavour and aroma of a JSGA but with a wonderful bitterness.)

cheers

[Pale_Ale]

*BUMP*

Rather than start a new thread its time to resurrect this one.

I have loads of amarillo in the freezer and no more of the JSGA clones to drink. Also have one empty keg.

Looking at the JSGA description on the website - Link

So what do the fans of this beer think of this recipe as a modification of the original recipe Pale_ale posted?

1 x Thomas Coopers Sparkling Ale kit
1.5 kg Coopers wheat malt extract
15g amarillo @ 15
15g amarillo @ 5
15g amarillo - dry hopped at rack and/or keg
US56, 18degC, 1 week primary, 1 week secondary.

Cheers
DrSmurto

Put the follolwing down yesterday:

Thomas Coopers Sparkling Ale
1.5kg Coopers Wheat Malt Extract
100g Crystal malt
15g Amarillo @ 10
15g Amarillo @ 2
15g Amarillo dry hopped in secondary (only in the primary now)
US-56

Pitched @ 22C and was down to nominal temp of 16C within 60 minutes.

Will keep @ 16C, rack to secondary and keep @ 16C for 2 weeks, then bring it down to 4C for one month of cold conditioning.

The reason for adding the crystal is that the wheat will take out some of the colour and I'd like to get it a bit closer to the kegged Golden Ale which appears to me to be darker.

Initial wort tasting reveals more than adequate bitterness, the kit is extremely well bittered as the Thomas Cooper series of cans is designed to have 1.5kg malt added - it is hopped with this in mind.

Finger crossed drsmurto, I'll post results.

This beer is now cold conditioning @ 6C where I will probably leave it for 2-4 weeks, depending on how impatient I get to put another brew on.

I dry hopped with some more Amarillo and looks and smells positive at this point.

[drsmurto]

6 degC? Is that the temp of your fridge or the nominal outside temp in Adelaide? I reckon i could cc mine in the shed still, the frosts this week have been bloody impressive, snow-like!

I racked mine on the weekend after 2 weeks in primary. Smells incredible but uber cloudy. Dry hopped with another 15g of amarillo. Plan on moving it to the fridge on the weekend and letting it cc till the grand final.

Pale_Ale - you should really start coming along to the grumpys do's so i can taste some of your beers and vice versa - this Friday night is the next one.

[James L]

tried my recipe out of the fermenter while bottling.... It tastes glorious...

I think with a few weeks in the bottle then cooled down nicely, it will taste even better...

Its very golden, but maybe a touch too dark....

I still think this will be one that i'll continue to make... Its so simple...

On other thing i did thats not on the recipe was i dry hopped 10g of amarillo 3 days before bottling.... and i bulk primed with 160g dextrose...

just incase anyone wants to give it a shot...

[drsmurto]

Thats a nice looking extract version James but maybe lacking in wheat? JSGA is 30% wheat so maybe you could tweak that next time? With all that amarillo i am sure it tastes great - i love that hop. Subbing some wheat for the pale malt extract would also reduce the colour.

Dry hopping with amarillo works so well, i bet there will be a smile on your face when you crack open a bottle in a few weeks, the aroma will leap out at you!

[James L]

yeh i wanted to put a little wheat in because you guys were discussing it a little when i was about to make it, so i went for the 250g...

next time i might add a kilo or so and see how that goes... there definately will be a next time...

[Boonie]

I have made a JSGA attempt with a cheap Brewiser can on special for 5 dollars something.

Brewiser Wheat
1KG Dried Wheat Malt from local HBS
I am pretty sure it was the following hop schedule, I'm at work I'll change if I am wrong.

20g Amarillo 30 Mins
20g Amarillo 15 Mins
Then 20g Dry hopped at rack

Brewed for just over a week and in rack for about 6 days so far.

Had a sip 2 days ago, very nice indeed. Very hoppy.

Cheers

Boonie

[Pale_Ale]

6 degC? Is that the temp of your fridge or the nominal outside temp in Adelaide? I reckon i could cc mine in the shed still, the frosts this week have been bloody impressive, snow-like!

I live on the coast so not much frost where I am, but I used to live in the hills so I know what a chilly morning is like up there. I've got my FridgeMate set to 6C, I didn't want any cooler as I probably won't be leaving it for very long (4 weeks or less).

Pale_Ale - you should really start coming along to the grumpys do's so i can taste some of your beers and vice versa - this Friday night is the next one.

Yes - I should. I've been meaning to get up there to one of those, and I will make it a priority! I'll keep my eyes peeled for the next one.

[drsmurto]

I'll keep you posted- Fridays was a no go as ppl too busy. I did drop in early Friday arvo to pick up grain and stayed for the obligatory pint(s). They have a bass clone in the hand pump, damn i love real ales.

[Ivesy]

I am going to give Pale Ales recipe another crack, this time using the revised hop schedule. As i do not rack my beer i did not dry hop for the aroma last time. Can i throw 15g of pellets into my keg when i keg the brew, or should i boil some up, cool it down then add to keg whilst kegging?

[Kevnlis]

I am going to give Pale Ales recipe another crack, this time using the revised hop schedule. As i do not rack my beer i did not dry hop for the aroma last time. Can i throw 15g of pellets into my keg when i keg the brew, or should i boil some up, cool it down then add to keg whilst kegging?

You can use a tea infuser hop ball like the following:

http://craftbrewer.com.au/index.php?pag ... &Itemid=29

to dry hop your kegs.

[drsmurto]

You can dry hop in the primary fermenter - just wait until fermentation is complete (4-7 days). I use a small segment of pantyhose to dry hop in. Cut a 5-10cm piece, put it in a cup of boiling water for 5 mins to sanitise it and to remove any dye that is going to leak. then take it out and squeeze excess water, tie a knot in one end, add your hops, tie up the other end then dunk it a few times to get it wet and let it go. Leave it a week and then bottle as normal.

The tea ball Kevnlis suggested is the thing i use to dry hop in my kegs which i do IN ADDITION to dry hopping in secondary. Cant have too much hop aroma!

Cheers
DrSMurto

[Kevnlis]

Doc is a hop nut

OT: have you seen the modified water filter cartridges that they fill with hop flowers instead of the filter and put it in line on the keg hose so the beer runs through the hops as it is being poured? I saw it on the "Modern Marvels : Brewing" episode, looked pretty wicked!

[drsmurto]

Dry hopped on the way to the pint glass?

Where do i get one of these beasts! Imagine the aroma! Drooling now!

[Kevnlis]

LMAO, I will cut that segment and upload the file to my server for you, you can see for yourself, it would be easy as pie to rig an inline version to pour beer through

http://www.tinkletots.net/kevnlis/hopfilter.avi

Right click that link and save it to your computer by clicking "save target as" please (file size = 8MB).

[drsmurto]

Nice one - that looks simple enough.