Sparkling Golden Ale

[gibbocore]

speaking of this, i was thinking what the complications would be if i were to put some hop pellets in the outside of the filter manifold i have, its one of craftbrewers ones, i was thinking putting the filter catridge in, putting 20gs of pellets in the outside chamber and having the beer pass through it before it goes through the filter istelf, kind of a hop back and filter in one hit, or would it bugger the cartrige?, I thought that as long as i keep the pressure real low it should't be any different than filtering after a dry oh to keg.

[Kevnlis]

That is pretty much what they have done there I think, except they have replaced the filter with the hops, can't see why using both would be any different. Maybe install an in-line filter screen to be safe?

[drsmurto]

Ended up going with this
1 x grumpys 25IBU pale extract
1.5 kg coopers wheat extract (which is a 50/50 blend of wheat/barley)
20g amarillo @ 10, 5 mins.

Kegged this last weekend. Damn hoppy, didnt even bother to dry hop in the keg. Colour is bewdiful altho its still a touch cloudy (Something to do with the wheat is it TL? ). I cc-ed it for a week at 5 which dropped out more yeast. Colour is fantastic, an orangey tone. I think its a touch sweet and doesnt have the crispness that i love about JSGA.

I did dry hop at rack with another 20g of amarillo so all up a subtle 60g went in.


Did i mention i like a hoppy beer?

Cheers
DrSmurto

[Kevnlis]

Hoppy is right!

[Boonie]

Ended up going with this
1 x grumpys 25IBU pale extract
1.5 kg coopers wheat extract (which is a 50/50 blend of wheat/barley)
20g amarillo @ 10, 5 mins.

Kegged this last weekend. Damn hoppy, didnt even bother to dry hop in the keg. Colour is bewdiful altho its still a touch cloudy (Something to do with the wheat is it TL? ). I cc-ed it for a week at 5 which dropped out more yeast. Colour is fantastic, an orangey tone. I think its a touch sweet and doesnt have the crispness that i love about JSGA.

I did dry hop at rack with another 20g of amarillo so all up a subtle 60g went in.


Did i mention i like a hoppy beer?

Cheers
DrSmurto

A man after my own heart....hang-on, that sounded a little gay

I had one of mine on Sunday arvo, as a sampler to check how they were going, 6 x 330ml "Samplers" later and I had to put the Longies in , bloody lovely and hoppy.

I have made a JSGA attempt with a cheap Brewiser can on special for 5 dollars something.

Brewiser Wheat
1KG Dried Wheat Malt from local HBS
I am pretty sure it was the following hop schedule, I'm at work I'll change if I am wrong.

20g Amarillo 30 Mins
20g Amarillo 15 Mins
Then 20g Dry hopped at rack

Brewed for just over a week and in rack for about 6 days so far.

Had a sip 2 days ago, very nice indeed. Very hoppy.

Cheers

Boonie

[Pale_Ale]

*BUMP*

Rather than start a new thread its time to resurrect this one.

I have loads of amarillo in the freezer and no more of the JSGA clones to drink. Also have one empty keg.

Looking at the JSGA description on the website - Link

So what do the fans of this beer think of this recipe as a modification of the original recipe Pale_ale posted?

1 x Thomas Coopers Sparkling Ale kit
1.5 kg Coopers wheat malt extract
15g amarillo @ 15
15g amarillo @ 5
15g amarillo - dry hopped at rack and/or keg
US56, 18degC, 1 week primary, 1 week secondary.

Cheers
DrSmurto

Put the follolwing down yesterday:

Thomas Coopers Sparkling Ale
1.5kg Coopers Wheat Malt Extract
100g Crystal malt
15g Amarillo @ 10
15g Amarillo @ 2
15g Amarillo dry hopped in secondary (only in the primary now)
US-56

Pitched @ 22C and was down to nominal temp of 16C within 60 minutes.

Will keep @ 16C, rack to secondary and keep @ 16C for 2 weeks, then bring it down to 4C for one month of cold conditioning.

The reason for adding the crystal is that the wheat will take out some of the colour and I'd like to get it a bit closer to the kegged Golden Ale which appears to me to be darker.

Initial wort tasting reveals more than adequate bitterness, the kit is extremely well bittered as the Thomas Cooper series of cans is designed to have 1.5kg malt added - it is hopped with this in mind.

Finger crossed drsmurto, I'll post results.

This beer is now cold conditioning @ 6C where I will probably leave it for 2-4 weeks, depending on how impatient I get to put another brew on.

I dry hopped with some more Amarillo and looks and smells positive at this point.

Bottled this today, so it has had a good stint cold conditioning. It tastes quite bitter straight out of the fermenter but overall very promising. Will post tastings in a month or so.

[drsmurto]

Ended up going with this
1 x grumpys 25IBU pale extract
1.5 kg coopers wheat extract (which is a 50/50 blend of wheat/barley)
20g amarillo @ 10, 5 mins.

Kegged this last weekend. Damn hoppy, didnt even bother to dry hop in the keg. Colour is bewdiful altho its still a touch cloudy (Something to do with the wheat is it TL? ). I cc-ed it for a week at 5 which dropped out more yeast. Colour is fantastic, an orangey tone. I think its a touch sweet and doesnt have the crispness that i love about JSGA.

I did dry hop at rack with another 20g of amarillo so all up a subtle 60g went in.


Did i mention i like a hoppy beer?

Cheers
DrSmurto

After 2 weeks in the keg this has mellowed somewhat - sweetness has smoothed out, not as hoppy as it started. The last kit beer i make and damn it was a fine drop. I think the wheat has improved this immensely! Will be putting an AG version of this on my list of must do's. Had a heap of mates around for the GF weekend and got a few of them to taste this next to the real thing. They all commented that they thought it was close - the real thing is dryer and obviously, very clear but they reckon i did it justice.

[Rod]

I made the following , got the recipe somewhere on the forum

Js Golden Ale


Try the following. Produces quite a nice brew. The NB for bittering is not quite right however NB or POR are both fairly neutral when used for bittering in a pale ale.

20L batch

2.2Kgs of Unhopped Pale LME
1Kgs of Unhopped Wheat LME
0.25Kgs Crystal malt - steeped for 20mins
22gms Northern Brewer (9.4%) @ 60mins
12gms Amarillo (8.4%) @ 10mins
12gms Amarillo (8.4%) @ 0mins
15gms Amarillo (8.4%) Dry Hopped in secondary for 7 days
US-56


Begin by steeping crystal malt in 2 Litres of water at around 70C. Steep for 20 minutes. Once the 20 mins are almost up, start to boil the Pale LME in 4Litres of water. Strain the steeped crystal wort into the boil.

Add the hop additions and 10 mins before the end of the boil add the Wheat LME.

Ferment at approx 18C.

Far too much hops

this much would have reincarnated Skippy

my brew in 20 weeks old , I thought it might mellow ,

next time a lot less hops

[drsmurto]

No offence intended but if this is too much hops for you why are you trying to clone JSGA? Its a hoppy beer.

FWIW - that looks like a very nice extract recipe for JSGA. If it was me i would use amarillo the whole way thru....

[Swifty]

I'm just finishing off a kinda JSGA clone. It's by far the best Kit type beer I've done to date and is even better IMHO than alot of my all-grain. Amarillo hops is probably the reason 'cause I love them. Anyway,

1 Can Cooper Pale Ale
250g of Carapils
100g of Crystal
750g of TC Wheat
500g LDME
300g of Dex (ran out of Malt)

15g Amarillo @ 15 mins
15g Amarillo @ 5 mins
15g Amarillo dry hopped for 7 days

Saf-ale US-05

Steeped grain in 70 degree water for 25 mins, started boil and added Dex and Malt. Added Wheat 2 mins before end of boil. Fermented at 19 degrees for 14 days.
This is probably the first beer that has tasted awesome straight after carbonation in the keg. All others have had a kinda green taste for the first day or two. Has mellowed slightly but still bloody delicious. I've done 4 or 5 JSGA type brews and none have been as great as this.

[Pale_Ale]

So what do the fans of this beer think of this recipe as a modification of the original recipe Pale_ale posted?

1 x Thomas Coopers Sparkling Ale kit
1.5 kg Coopers wheat malt extract
15g amarillo @ 15
15g amarillo @ 5
15g amarillo - dry hopped at rack and/or keg
US56, 18degC, 1 week primary, 1 week secondary.

Cheers
DrSmurto

Put the follolwing down yesterday:

Thomas Coopers Sparkling Ale
1.5kg Coopers Wheat Malt Extract
100g Crystal malt
15g Amarillo @ 10
15g Amarillo @ 2
15g Amarillo dry hopped in secondary (only in the primary now)
US-56

Pitched @ 22C and was down to nominal temp of 16C within 60 minutes.

Will keep @ 16C, rack to secondary and keep @ 16C for 2 weeks, then bring it down to 4C for one month of cold conditioning.

The reason for adding the crystal is that the wheat will take out some of the colour and I'd like to get it a bit closer to the kegged Golden Ale which appears to me to be darker.

Initial wort tasting reveals more than adequate bitterness, the kit is extremely well bittered as the Thomas Cooper series of cans is designed to have 1.5kg malt added - it is hopped with this in mind.

Finger crossed drsmurto, I'll post results.

Ok, after a long process of fermentation, racking and cold conditioning, 10 or so weeks on and this brew has been in the bottle for a fortnight or so and I'm cracked one this evening.

Very nice. This is without a doubt a huge improvement on the original recipe and one that I will be doing again.

My only tweak to this will be doubling the crystal malt. It is a tad more bitter than intended, but only to a minor extent. Very nice.

Considering how young the beer is I expect it to be a corker in a few months.

[drsmurto]

The wheat malt extract makes a huge difference!

Glad to hear you like it PA. I just bought 400g of amarillo so am looking to make an AG version this weekend. Will defo be using wheat malt (20-25%).

Cheers
DrSmurto

[James L]

I tried the 1.5kg of wheat malt this brew, and used that with a coopers draught. I added the same ammount of amarillo, but at 20 and 5 minutes. It looks very golden, and i'm planning to dry hop a bit of amarillo soon.. Its just an experimental cheap brew to give to my bro, so hopefully it will all work out well....

[drsmurto]

Dont give it away James! That will be a top drop, almost the same as mine.

Dry hop is a must! 20g minimum.

[petesbrew]

Ended up going with this
1 x grumpys 25IBU pale extract
1.5 kg coopers wheat extract (which is a 50/50 blend of wheat/barley)
20g amarillo @ 10, 5 mins.

Kegged this last weekend. Damn hoppy, didnt even bother to dry hop in the keg. Colour is bewdiful altho its still a touch cloudy (Something to do with the wheat is it TL? ). I cc-ed it for a week at 5 which dropped out more yeast. Colour is fantastic, an orangey tone. I think its a touch sweet and doesnt have the crispness that i love about JSGA.

I did dry hop at rack with another 20g of amarillo so all up a subtle 60g went in.


Did i mention i like a hoppy beer?

Cheers
DrSmurto

A man after my own heart....hang-on, that sounded a little gay

I had one of mine on Sunday arvo, as a sampler to check how they were going, 6 x 330ml "Samplers" later and I had to put the Longies in , bloody lovely and hoppy.

I have made a JSGA attempt with a cheap Brewiser can on special for 5 dollars something.

Brewiser Wheat
1KG Dried Wheat Malt from local HBS
I am pretty sure it was the following hop schedule, I'm at work I'll change if I am wrong.

20g Amarillo 30 Mins
20g Amarillo 15 Mins
Then 20g Dry hopped at rack

Brewed for just over a week and in rack for about 6 days so far.

Had a sip 2 days ago, very nice indeed. Very hoppy.

Cheers

Boonie

Boonie, I like the look of your recipe.
I just found one of these Brewiser Wheats yesterday for $8, and a JSGA clone is on my brews-to-do list.
cheers
Pete

[Boonie]

Hi Pete,

I had one last night, testing to see if it was worthy to give to Pete B. It's pretty good, but, would you believe I think it still needs more Amarillo

Depending how hoppy you like it........It is still hoppy but not JSGA hoppy, you know, smack you in the face hoppy where you go whoaaar after each sip and lick your lips.

I am going to go probably 25-30g Amarillo at Dry hop next time.

I have just handed a couple into the local HBS for Peter Bradshaw to collect, so I would not mind his 2nd opinion on this one. Plus also the HBS owner Hilton to give his opinion on his 2.

I will do this definitely again.

Love my Amarillo

Cheers

Boonie

[drsmurto]

Boonie - if oyu want hopier flavour/aroma add the amarillo later.

My last batch was actually 20g @ 15 and 5 mins as wellas another 20g dry hopped.

Altho i to think it could do with a touch more aroma so i may dry hopped a 2nd time in the leg (next time i do it - keg is nearly empty )

[Boonie]

Boonie - if oyu want hopier flavour/aroma add the amarillo later.

My last batch was actually 20g @ 15 and 5 mins as wellas another 20g dry hopped.

Altho i to think it could do with a touch more aroma so i may dry hopped a 2nd time in the leg (next time i do it - keg is nearly empty )

Cheers Doc......I also was thinking of more Aroma when adding more at Dry Hop.

I take it you meant keg and not leg

Boonie

[drsmurto]

Bugger - again i mix up keg and leg.

[petesbrew]

Cheers guys. I'm a big fan of the Golden Ale, and I have a 100g bag of Amarillo in the fridge just waiting to be enjoyed. Yep the hoppier the better I think