Sparkling Golden Ale

drsmurto · Post by **drsmurto** » Wednesday Oct 24, 2007 1:19 pm

100g - i reckon you could up each boiling addition to 30g and then dry hop with 40.....

petesbrew · Post by **petesbrew** » Wednesday Oct 24, 2007 1:27 pm

Am I the only one getting thirsty here?
Damn... just drooled all over my keyboard.

drsmurto · Post by **drsmurto** » Tuesday Oct 30, 2007 5:25 pm

Put down an AG version on Saturday

20L batch
2.40 kg Pilsner (Weyermann) (3.3 EBC) Grain 56.60 %
0.80 kg Munich I (Weyermann) (14.0 EBC) Grain 18.87 %
0.80 kg Wheat Malt, Malt Craft (Joe White) (3.5 EBC) Grain 18.87 %
0.24 kg Caramalt (Joe White) (49.3 EBC) Grain 5.66 %
20.00 gm Northern Brewer [9.10 %] (60 min) Hops 22.2 IBU
15.00 gm Amarillo [8.90 %] (10 min) Hops 5.9 IBU
15.00 gm Amarillo [8.90 %] (5 min) Hops 3.2 IBU
0.50 items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 min) Misc
15.00 gm Amarillo [8.90 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops -
US56

MOFO · Post by **MOFO** » Tuesday Oct 30, 2007 8:58 pm

I put a version of this down the other day -

Coopers Sparkling Ale 1.7kg Kit
Morgans 1.5kg Pale Malt
500 Muntons Spray Wheat
30g Amarillo @ 30 mins
SafAle 056

I will dry hop with 15g Amarillo when I rack... I dont normally Rack, but I would like this to be nice and clear and give me a chance to dry hop.

earle · Post by **earle** » Wednesday Oct 31, 2007 8:19 am

I'm not 100% sure on this but wont it stay a bit cloudy from the wheat anyway. Anybody?

Kevnlis · Post by **Kevnlis** » Wednesday Oct 31, 2007 8:27 am

The cloudiness of wheat beers is typicaly from the yeast, not the grain, though unmalted wheat can cause a bit of a cloudy appearance as well.

Using an ale yeast with that recipe, you should get a clear beer, though that particular yeast does take a while to drop out of suspension.

Trough Lolly · Post by **Trough Lolly** » Wednesday Oct 31, 2007 10:25 am

Kevnlis wrote:The cloudiness of wheat beers is typicaly from the yeast, not the grain, though unmalted wheat can cause a bit of a cloudy appearance as well.

Using an ale yeast with that recipe, you should get a clear beer, though that particular yeast does take a while to drop out of suspension.

I beg to differ...!
The cloudiness in most wheat beers and other beers that have malted or unmalted wheat added, is largely due to the relatively high protein content in wheat. Sure, the wheat beer yeast does add cloudiness when it's shaken up before serving (as it should be!), but it would be wrong to infer that malted wheat grains do not impair the clarity of the final product. On the upside, the proteins do add to the mouthfeel and body of the beer and it does aid head retention.

And yes, the more common wheat beer yeasts, such as Wyeast 3068 is not very flocculant and does take a while to settle out...I find US-56 / Wyeast 1056 / Chico Ale strain, to be a good flocculant strain and produces a nice bright beer after a day or two in the fridge before kegging the batch.

Cheers,
TL

petesbrew · Post by **petesbrew** » Saturday Nov 17, 2007 5:45 am

Got the ingredients ready for mine
Brewiser Wheat kit 1.7kg
Wheat LME 1kg
Crystal grain 125g - (steeped 30min)
20g Amarillo 30min
20g Amarillo 10min
20g Amarillo dry hopped
Saf 05
Will brew this one tomorrow or sometime next week.

Kevnlis · Post by **Kevnlis** » Saturday Nov 17, 2007 8:06 am

This is my Amarillo Brewiser partial:

http://www.tinkletots.net/kevnlis/001.html

I am thinking of doing another soon, but will make a couple changes.

I will not use any wheat malt, just 2 kilos of Galaxy malt with 1 kilo of torrified wheat. I will use Carahell instead of Caraamber for a lighter caraflavour. I am going to try Brewers Gold for the bittering and flavour and dry hop with Cascade as I think these flavours will suit the style a bit better. I am going to use 40g of Mandarin peel and 30g of COrriander @ 10 min. I realise this is a trendy thing to do with wheat beers but it comes out quite nice! I am also going to use a lager yeast and ferment this out at 10C for 2 weeks with a bit of lagering at 4C for a further 4 weeks. Hopefully this will give me a much cleaner finish than the wheat yeast.

Just some ideas anyway, I still have 6 of these kits so I better use them up

petesbrew · Post by **petesbrew** » Monday Nov 19, 2007 8:03 am

brewed mine up last night. The smell of the boiling hops wafting across the backyard was bloody awesome. OG was 1038 (due to only 1kg liquid malt I suppose), and the taste was to die for. Should be ready to drink by Xmas eve!

petesbrew · Post by **petesbrew** » Wednesday Dec 12, 2007 9:52 am

Fiiinally bottled it last night. It spent 3 weeks in the primary fermenter, due to us being on holidays, then a busy week on return.
The time helped, as it was very murky with heaps of hop debris in the 1st week, but quite clear on week 3.

Taste is okay, flat out of the fermenter while bottling.
Hopefully it'll be right by Xmas eve, but I've got plenty of good backup brews if not.

BTW, I primed it with 180g DME (No chance to get up to coles for some dextrose).

timmy · Post by **timmy** » Wednesday Dec 12, 2007 12:49 pm

Nice one Pete.

Will be trying the same recipe but will sub normal LDME for the wheat malt you used and will use Wyeast American Ale II cos I have some starters ready to go.

Glad to see that the Brewiser Wheat can be turned into something good.

btw - noticed that they were on special at Big W again for around $8

also noticed that they have Brigalow 'finishing hops'. Didn't say what hop it was, but it was a tablet. Hate to think what it would taste like....

Cheers,
Tim

MOFO · Post by **MOFO** » Wednesday Dec 12, 2007 1:23 pm

I had the first of these on the weekend using my recipe (above somewhere..)

It tasted nice, but I was surprised by the lack of Amarillo coming through - I used a good 60g and whilst noticeable, with the wheat malt and the 1.5kg of LME, as well as 1.7KG of Coopers Sparkling ... it came across a bit malty, and bit sweet - I think I should have added some bittering hops as well as Amarillo.. Amarillo tastes great but can't quite overcome the malt...

Tastes nice though - and the head is a really brilliant froth, due to the wheat malt... a worthwhile addition.

earle · Post by **earle** » Wednesday Dec 12, 2007 1:44 pm

My version was similar but without the wheat (planning on some of this next time). I only used 3 x 15g Amarillo and it was all in there before the primary fermentation rather than when racking, and the amarillo is obvious.

I do agree that you end up with a sweetish beer but I think it is because the hop has a very fruity profile rather than in not showing through. I'm thinking of the wheat instead of some malt rather than as well as. Might cut back the malt sweetness a bit

timmy · Post by **timmy** » Wednesday Dec 12, 2007 2:45 pm

This kit will probably need more bittering because it's probably only for 18-20 IBU's anyway. I might add some Amarillo for a full boil and this should address it.

MOFO · Post by **MOFO** » Wednesday Dec 12, 2007 3:58 pm

I did boil 20g @ 45 mins 20g @ 20 mins and 20g @ flameout....

I might put in some D-Saaz as well next time.

Pale_Ale · Post by **Pale_Ale** » Saturday Dec 15, 2007 10:43 am

Whenever I've used the sparkling kit the por has ensured that the beer is sufficiently bitter, in fact I have to be careful to not boil the amarillo for too long otherwise it becomes too bitter.

rwh · Post by **rwh** » Tuesday Dec 18, 2007 12:11 pm

Agreed, watch the Amarillo, it's got a high AA and can really throw out your balance if you're not careful. Err on the short side of boil times.

drsmurto · Post by **drsmurto** » Tuesday Dec 18, 2007 12:30 pm

drsmurto wrote:Put down an AG version on Saturday

20L batch
2.40 kg Pilsner (Weyermann) (3.3 EBC) Grain 56.60 %
0.80 kg Munich I (Weyermann) (14.0 EBC) Grain 18.87 %
0.80 kg Wheat Malt, Malt Craft (Joe White) (3.5 EBC) Grain 18.87 %
0.24 kg Caramalt (Joe White) (49.3 EBC) Grain 5.66 %
20.00 gm Northern Brewer [9.10 %] (60 min) Hops 22.2 IBU
15.00 gm Amarillo [8.90 %] (10 min) Hops 5.9 IBU
15.00 gm Amarillo [8.90 %] (5 min) Hops 3.2 IBU
0.50 items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 min) Misc
15.00 gm Amarillo [8.90 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops -
US56

Took this keg along to a case swap a few weekends ago and wasnt allowed to take it home with me. All the brewers loved it. Its first on my list for next years brews.

petesbrew · Post by **petesbrew** » Wednesday Dec 19, 2007 6:54 am

I tried a stubby of my SGA last night. It's only been bottled for a week, but I was hoping it may have carbed up enough to take into work to try out on my colleagues.

Still very flat, but very delicious. Not much in the way of bitterness, but nice and hopsy. Looking forward to enjoying this in time, but here's another question.

Priming - I primed with 180g malt extract this time... anyone know if it actually takes longer to prime than sugar?