Whats the max temp with saflager yeast?

Lebowski · Post by **Lebowski** » Friday Jan 06, 2006 9:36 pm

Like the topic says,
Whats the max temp you can make a 'decent/drinkable' beer with saflager yeast?

yardglass · Post by **yardglass** » Friday Jan 06, 2006 9:46 pm

Lebowski,
done a couple in the low 20's/19*.Nice after 3 mth.
S-23 is good up to 24*, the same as an Ale Yeast, but you don't get the Lager characteristics.

on the side... i grabbed a new S-23 from HBS recently and the whole packaging/label info has changed to IMPLY it's an Ale Yeast.

anyone else noticed this.?
yard

Lebowski · Post by **Lebowski** » Saturday Jan 07, 2006 12:22 am

Do you know if the 34/70 saflager is good up to 24 also? I think they recommend 10-15 on the website?

Dogger Dan · Post by **Dogger Dan** » Saturday Jan 07, 2006 12:52 am

I brewed with a Saflager at 28 deg while reproducing an Anchor Steam.

Dogger

mikey · Post by **mikey** » Saturday Jan 07, 2006 10:06 am

Dogger Dan wrote:I brewed with a Saflager at 28 deg while reproducing an Anchor Steam.

Dogger

what's the effect on taste with brewing at such high temperatures?

I'm asking because I've put off brewing with the 32 - 35C we've had recently in Brisbane.

Matty · Post by **Matty** » Saturday Jan 07, 2006 1:31 pm

I've found that if you brew the saflager to high, I did one at about 24'C because the weather tricked me, it ends up tasting real fruity. I think this happens with all lagers not just saflager, not too unpleasant, but not real lagery either. Pretty sure they recomend 16'C as the max, 10' - 16'C is good I think. Need good source of temp control before doing lagers I reckon, unless you don't mind the fruity esters.

Cheers,

Matty

yardglass · Post by **yardglass** » Saturday Jan 07, 2006 8:17 pm

Lebowski wrote:Do you know if the 34/70 saflager is good up to 24 also? I think they recommend 10-15 on the website?

big,
same as S-23, before i had temp control all my lagers were in the 20's, sometimes warmer.

imo, still better than using the 6gm supplied yeast.

yard

Dogger Dan · Post by **Dogger Dan** » Sunday Jan 08, 2006 8:12 am

32 is way high but if you have to you have to

with lager yeasts at high temps they just don't have the sharp crisp flavours.

I have no issues with that and one should try it, just to get an opinion. At 32 though you will be bringing in some esters which is OK, just remember that they are going to happen.

Dogger

stevem · Post by **stevem** » Sunday Jan 08, 2006 9:09 am

If you what to ferment a lager at higher temps maybe you should look at using the Whitelabs WLP810 yeast. It can ferment up to 18 C while retaining lager characteristics. I have not used it but found its details on the White Labs website.

Cheers
Steve

Hrundi V Bakshi · Post by **Hrundi V Bakshi** » Sunday Jan 08, 2006 10:20 pm

Dogger Dan wrote: At 32 though you will be bringing in some esters which is OK, just remember that they are going to happen.

Dogger

More than esters. 32C is going to make fusel alcohol. Do not be worrying about the nail polish remover aroma and flavour. Please to be thinking about the killed brain cells and hangovers. No beer making yeast should be pressed into service at such temperatures!