Ale Yeast and copius amounts of dextrose

General homebrew discussion, tips and help on kit and malt extract brewing, and talk about equipment. Queries on sourcing supplies and equipment should go in The Store.
User avatar
corks
Posts: 201
Joined: Saturday Nov 12, 2005 1:07 pm
Location: Melbourne
Contact:

Ale Yeast and copius amounts of dextrose

Post by corks »

Just wondering how well Ale yeast copes with large amounts of dextrose. I'd like to bump a stout or a dark up into the realms of 9-10%, but i'm not that keen on using a champangne yeast.
I'll be your stereotypical poor student next year, so more elaborate ingredients will only feature in extra-special brews.
Would I have to look at racking in order to get, say, a coopers dark with 2 and a bit of malt close to finished, or could the coopers yeast handle it alright?
Chris
Posts: 3716
Joined: Tuesday Oct 04, 2005 1:35 pm
Location: Northern Canberra

Post by Chris »

Not the kit yeast- they tend to die (or go weird) around 8% from memory.

Use a re-cultured coopers stout yeast. They can go up to 10%. Aside from that, Wyeast Irish Ale yeast.

The Coopers will be cheaper, and you get stout.
User avatar
gregb
Moderator
Posts: 2620
Joined: Saturday Sep 25, 2004 9:12 am
Location: Sydney

Post by gregb »

On the Cooper Club forum the chap from the brewery said that they tried one once with 5kg of white sugar and I think a Lager kit, which the yeast managed to get through.

Cheers,
Greg
Chris
Posts: 3716
Joined: Tuesday Oct 04, 2005 1:35 pm
Location: Northern Canberra

Post by Chris »

I find that hard to believe... :?
User avatar
corks
Posts: 201
Joined: Saturday Nov 12, 2005 1:07 pm
Location: Melbourne
Contact:

Post by corks »

Chris wrote:The Coopers will be cheaper, and you get stout.
i like this.
dam i miss stout. it dont exist over here in ecuador.
User avatar
lethaldog
Posts: 2716
Joined: Wednesday Jul 19, 2006 11:13 am
Location: Victoria

Post by lethaldog »

corks wrote:
Chris wrote:The Coopers will be cheaper, and you get stout.
i like this.
dam i miss stout. it dont exist over here in ecuador.
It will if you brew it :lol: :lol:
Maybe you will start a new trend or something :lol: :wink:
Cheers
Leigh
User avatar
gregb
Moderator
Posts: 2620
Joined: Saturday Sep 25, 2004 9:12 am
Location: Sydney

Post by gregb »

Paul - Coopers Brewery, on the Coopers Club Forum wrote:...the original series yeast has managed to produce a 13.2% A/Vol brew from the one 7g sachet pitched directly on top of a 23 litre wort (1.7kg can + 5kg of white sugar)...I ran this experiment just to see how far the yeast could go before giving up.
The post from the Coopers fellow as I mentioned above. He ran the experiment, so I see no reason to disbelive him. My bad, didn't mention the kit.

Cheers,
Greg
BierMeister
Posts: 255
Joined: Tuesday Jun 13, 2006 1:53 pm
Location: Adelaide

Post by BierMeister »

5kgs would produce more than 13.2%. This beer would be very sweet. If you want to get up to around 11% you will need to make a large starter and have at least 2 cups of fresh yeast slurry to safely complete the job and still having a good tasting beer.
Sounds like Beer O'clock.
Chris
Posts: 3716
Joined: Tuesday Oct 04, 2005 1:35 pm
Location: Northern Canberra

Post by Chris »

Yeah! An Equadorian Stout!
Balls
Posts: 46
Joined: Monday Jul 11, 2005 4:45 pm

Post by Balls »

corks,
I made a stout aroud 9%. The yeast is was suggested to use was Muntons Gold Premiun Yeast and it work out fine. Cheers
User avatar
gregb
Moderator
Posts: 2620
Joined: Saturday Sep 25, 2004 9:12 am
Location: Sydney

Post by gregb »

I've had some corro from Coopers about the 13% - the brew was measured for alcohol content on a calibrated machine. 13.1%abv out of primary, 13.2%abv from bottle - the yeast had clearly reached its limit.

Cheers,
Greg
beernut
Posts: 83
Joined: Sunday Nov 26, 2006 12:42 am
Location: Melbourne

Post by beernut »

You gets what you pays for. DME is not that much more cost than dex.
Just here for the Beer
User avatar
corks
Posts: 201
Joined: Saturday Nov 12, 2005 1:07 pm
Location: Melbourne
Contact:

Post by corks »

Chris wrote:Yeah! An Equadorian Stout!
if only...alas, there are no homebrew supplies over here, and im not here long enough to make ordering in stuff worthwhile.

but beernut, you've kinda lost me...
Chris
Posts: 3716
Joined: Tuesday Oct 04, 2005 1:35 pm
Location: Northern Canberra

Post by Chris »

I think beernut was referring to the title of the post. I'd go malt over dextrose too.
User avatar
rwh
Posts: 2810
Joined: Friday Jun 16, 2006 1:47 pm
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Contact:

Post by rwh »

beernut wrote:You gets what you pays for. DME is not that much more cost than dex.
Er, it's like four times the price...
w00t!
NickMoore
Posts: 174
Joined: Monday May 23, 2005 11:35 am

Post by NickMoore »

hi greg, was it just the one sachet of coopers tin yeast?
User avatar
gregb
Moderator
Posts: 2620
Joined: Saturday Sep 25, 2004 9:12 am
Location: Sydney

Post by gregb »

Yep.

Cheers,
Greg
User avatar
lethaldog
Posts: 2716
Joined: Wednesday Jul 19, 2006 11:13 am
Location: Victoria

Post by lethaldog »

rwh wrote:
beernut wrote:You gets what you pays for. DME is not that much more cost than dex.
Er, it's like four times the price...
Yep i get 1 kg dex for just under $2
1kg of ldme $9.90
even if i buy in bulk ( which i dont ) it still works out at about $7 :lol: :wink:
Cheers
Leigh
User avatar
corks
Posts: 201
Joined: Saturday Nov 12, 2005 1:07 pm
Location: Melbourne
Contact:

Post by corks »

yeah, thats it, i'll be a poor uni student next year, so malt extract will be much less commom. sigh.
User avatar
rwh
Posts: 2810
Joined: Friday Jun 16, 2006 1:47 pm
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Contact:

Post by rwh »

Oh come on. Cheap brew:

1 beer tin: $9
1kg LDME: $8

Total: $17. Stubbies: 58. Per stubby: $0.29

1 beer tin: $9
1kg dex: $2.50

Total: $11.50. Per stubby: $0.19

Are you really telling me that you need to save $0.10 on each stubby? If so you REALLY are a poor student. I was certainly not that poor when I was a student. I somehow always managed to find the money for commercial beer, let alone a bit of malt! :lol:
w00t!
Post Reply