Pils grain for an ale

gibbocore · Post by **gibbocore** » Saturday Nov 17, 2007 7:57 am

Has anyone ever dabbled with pilsner grain for an american pale ale? Just wondering what grain i cold have a crack at (bad pun) to get a light but malty flavour profile, will prob just end up using MO.

Kevnlis · Post by **Kevnlis** » Saturday Nov 17, 2007 8:19 am

MO is a pretty distinct nutty flavour, I personally would not use it in an American Pale Ale. If you do not know the flavour than I suggest you not use it either as you may find you do not like it. It is the flavour that gives the nutty malty flavour to English Bitters. Galaxy is great if you can get it, Bohemian Pilsner would also be a good choice.

Trough Lolly · Post by **Trough Lolly** » Monday Nov 19, 2007 8:46 am

gibbocore wrote:Has anyone ever dabbled with pilsner grain for an american pale ale? Just wondering what grain i cold have a crack at (bad pun) to get a light but malty flavour profile, will prob just end up using MO.

G'day gibbocore - many a brewer has made a "golden ale" using Weyermann pils malt and saaz hops, fermented with US-56. You'll find the pils malt in an ale will give a sweeter than normal flavour profile so keep the bittering levels up on the pale ale recipe accordingly...

Cheers,
TL

gibbocore · Post by **gibbocore** » Monday Nov 19, 2007 11:24 am

Trough Lolly wrote:
gibbocore wrote:Has anyone ever dabbled with pilsner grain for an american pale ale? Just wondering what grain i cold have a crack at (bad pun) to get a light but malty flavour profile, will prob just end up using MO.
G'day gibbocore - many a brewer has made a "golden ale" using Weyermann pils malt and saaz hops, fermented with US-56. You'll find the pils malt in an ale will give a sweeter than normal flavour profile so keep the bittering levels up on the pale ale recipe accordingly...

Cheers,
TL

Cheers for that, sounds like a good idea, might have a go with some sazzB.

drsmurto · Post by **drsmurto** » Monday Nov 19, 2007 11:32 am

Gibbocore

Kegged this beer yesterday. Very easy drinking. Not unlike JSGA.

2.40 kg Pilsner (Weyermann) (3.3 EBC) Grain 56.60 %
0.80 kg Munich I (Weyermann) (14.0 EBC) Grain 18.87 %
0.80 kg Wheat Malt, Malt Craft (Joe White) (3.5 EBC) Grain 18.87 %
0.24 kg Caramalt (Joe White) (49.3 EBC) Grain 5.66 %
20.00 gm Northern Brewer [9.10 %] (60 min) Hops 22.2 IBU
15.00 gm Amarillo [8.90 %] (10 min) Hops 5.9 IBU
15.00 gm Amarillo [8.90 %] (5 min) Hops 3.2 IBU
15.00 gm Amarillo [8.90 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops -
20L, US56, OG 1.050, IBU 31

Cheers
DrSmurto

Trough Lolly · Post by **Trough Lolly** » Monday Nov 19, 2007 1:22 pm

Interesting recipe Doc...

I lashed out and bought some JSGA the other day - according to my fraggled palate, it had a fair whack of PoR and Saaz in it! That said, I much prefer the hop profile of your brew.

Cheers,
TL

drsmurto · Post by **drsmurto** » Monday Nov 19, 2007 2:15 pm

Yer, my research tells me they bitter with POR but flavour and aroma from amarillo. Problem is that amarillo varies wildly from crop to crop. And i think its pretty subtle too which is why i have toned it down from previous brews.

Never tried Saaz in a golden/summer ale before. Would B or D ssaz be more appropriate than the czech saaz?

Trough Lolly · Post by **Trough Lolly** » Monday Nov 19, 2007 3:16 pm

drsmurto wrote:Would B or D ssaz be more appropriate than the czech saaz?

Personally, I'd go with Czech Saaz every time, but since you're a fan of Amarillo, I'd plump for the Motueka / B Saaz variety with it's citrus flavour profile...

Cheers,
TL

gibbocore · Post by **gibbocore** » Monday Nov 19, 2007 10:00 pm

Cheers for that Dr, i might give that a go! I was alway's under the impression that JSGA was bittered by amarillo from their website. Interesting take, i'd still like to give the Bright ale a go with a stack of sazzB, was going to to Pils50% and wheat 50%, thoughts?

drsmurto · Post by **drsmurto** » Tuesday Nov 20, 2007 10:37 am

I assume you are referring to the Little creature Bright Ale

Looks like you need a touch of vienna and carapils......

Are you planning on bittering with B saaz?

There is a recipe on AHB recipe DB posted by Tony who has been on a mission to clone this beer. I would link to it but AHB is down.

drsmurto · Post by **drsmurto** » Tuesday Nov 20, 2007 11:11 am

AHB back up so here a few recipes for you

Bright ale Clone

Modified bright ale

Cheers
DrSmurto

gibbocore · Post by **gibbocore** » Tuesday Nov 20, 2007 3:47 pm

wicked, cheers Dr, i was planning on bittering with Bsazz as last time i checked the LC website, they used B Sazz exclusively. Do you think other wise?

edit:little creatures, not Matilda bay.

drsmurto · Post by **drsmurto** » Tuesday Nov 20, 2007 3:57 pm

Never used B saaz but then again, never had a bright ale. I cant get past the pale!

Tonys recipe uses cascade and B saaz in tandem so i would be tempted to start from there. Sounds like a great drop. Dont think it will be overly hoppy as his recipe is for a 52L batch!

gibbocore · Post by **gibbocore** » Tuesday Nov 20, 2007 3:59 pm

cool, i'll halve everything and throw it into beersmith!

Thanks again!

drsmurto · Post by **drsmurto** » Tuesday Nov 20, 2007 4:05 pm

Dont thank me. Thank the moons gravitational pull.....

gibbocore · Post by **gibbocore** » Tuesday Nov 20, 2007 5:13 pm

beerdrinker · Post by **beerdrinker** » Friday Jan 04, 2008 12:04 am

Has anyone tried the LC bright ale clone? Its time to brew again

beerdrinker · Post by **beerdrinker** » Friday Jan 11, 2008 3:09 am

Anyone tried some munich in thier ales? Off to the HB shop to get my supplies for Duanes AG LCPA clone(scary how close it is!) I have a kilo of weyerman pils and half a kilo of munich left,would it go well with this type of beer?Am thinking of just using the pils for a touch of malty sweetness

drsmurto · Post by **drsmurto** » Friday Jan 11, 2008 11:13 am

Mate, have a read of post #5 above. I always add munich malt to my APAs. And if you could supply your recipe for LCPA i would love to see it!

My version of LCPA and i stress its my version, not going to call it a clone.

3.25 kg Pale Malt, Ale (Barrett Burston) (5.9 EBC) Grain 71.43 %
1.00 kg Munich I (Weyermann) (14.0 EBC) Grain 21.98 %
0.30 kg Caramalt (Joe White) (49.3 EBC) Grain 6.59 %
12.00 gm Northern Brewer [9.10 %] (60 min) Hops 13.0 IBU
14.00 gm Cascade [6.70 %] (15 min) Hops 5.1 IBU
15.00 gm Chinook [12.40 %] (15 min) Hops 11.0 IBU
14.00 gm Cascade [6.70 %] (5 min) Hops 2.1 IBU
12.00 gm Chinook [12.40 %] (5 min) Hops 3.5 IBU
0.50 items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 min) Misc
1 Pkgs American Ale (Wyeast Labs #1056) Yeast-Ale

14.00 gm Chinook [12.40 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops -
14.00 gm Cascade [6.70 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops -

And my last APA - the 4 Musketeers.

3.50 kg Pilsner (Weyermann) (3.3 EBC) Grain 73.68 %
0.75 kg Munich I (Weyermann) (14.0 EBC) Grain 15.79 %
0.25 kg Caramunich I (Weyermann) (100.5 EBC) Grain 5.26 %
0.25 kg Melanoidin (Weyermann) (59.1 EBC) Grain 5.26 %
22.00 gm Amarillo [8.90 %] (60 min) Hops 23.1 IBU
15.00 gm Amarillo [8.90 %] (30 min) Hops 12.1 IBU
15.00 gm Amarillo [8.90 %] (10 min) Hops 5.7 IBU
15.00 gm Nelson Sauvin [13.00 %] (0 min) Hops -
15.00 gm Amarillo [8.90 %] (0 min) Hops -
15.00 gm Cascade [6.00 %] (0 min) Hops -
15.00 gm Chinook [12.40 %] (0 min) Hops -
0.50 items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 min) Misc
1 Pkgs American Ale (Wyeast Labs #1056) Yeast-Ale

Also dry hopped in the keg with 15g each of cascade and chinook. Should have dry hopped in secondary cos the keg lasted only 48 hours!

Cheers
DrSmurto

p.s. hopwise, my research tells me LCPA is bittered with EKG, flavoured with cascade and aroma comes form chinook/cascade in the mother of all hopbacks. But recently i am hearing murmurs its 100% cascade......

KEG · Post by **KEG** » Friday Jan 11, 2008 11:29 am

the website only mentions Cascade and Chinook.

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