Bizier's Columbus & Palisade Ale

[Bizier]

I thought I would post a very successful recipe for a super drinkable US style Pale Ale based around a Coopers Cerveza tin.
It came out quite soft, very fruity and very floral, lots of hop flavour and aroma, but definitely balanced. I would guess it is actually a whole lot lower than the estimated IBUs from beersmith, it is very approachable. One of my GF's friends is a non beer drinker (let alone homebrew) and she loved this and helped herself to multiple glasses.

Recipe Specifications
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Batch Size: 23.00 L
Boil Size: 7.00 L
Estimated OG: 1.046 SG
Estimated Color: 9.9 EBC
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amount Item Type % or IBU
1.70 kg Coopers Cerveza Can (3.8 EBC) Extract 50.00 %

1.30 kg Light Dry Extract (15.8 EBC) Dry Extract 38.24 %
0.20 kg Cara-Pils/Dextrine (3.9 EBC) Grain 5.88 %
0.20 kg Carahell (19.7 EBC) Grain 5.88 %

45.00 gm Palisade [7.30 %] (20 min) Hops 14.2 IBU
45.00 gm Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] (10 min) Hops 17.5 IBU

1 Pkgs SafAle US Ale (DCL Yeast #US-05) Yeast-Ale

Notes:
I fermented for 2 weeks on primary, and cold conditioned 2 weeks with gelatine, absolutely diamond bright on pouring.

[wrighty]

Sounds delice Bizier.
Palisade a new hop ?,ive not heard of it before,is this giving you the floral notes?.
Both grains were just steeped?

cheers Wrighty

[Bizier]

Hey wrighty,

Yep... just a little steeping grain.

I saw last night that Palisades are also used in a highly regarded beer Tröegs Nugget Nectar:
http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/694/15881
http://www.troegs.com/beers_nugget%20nectar.htm

I don't know much about them, I was aiming to do a budget beer while they are on sale from craftbrewer. Turned out ace.

I find that it is a floral and kind of herb-like (like sweet basil or something), but it is also mixed in with columbus, which is very fruity.

[wrighty]

Cheers Bizier.
Thanks for the links sounds like those Troegs boys like there hops, awsome range of beers.
Will have a bash at your recipie for now sounds dangerous around the girls.The wife now bemoans the lack of
flavour in any megaswill when the hb product isnt available.May as well dig that hole a little deeper.

[Bizier]

Will have a bash at your recipie

If you do, report back. I was surprised how this came out.

The wife now bemoans the lack of flavour in any megaswill when the hb product isnt available.May as well dig that hole a little deeper.

I know, my GF didn't even drink beer before she met me, now she clocks serious damage in the bottle store.

[Bizier]

A word of warning when adding lots of high AA% hops very late in the boil, and this goes with any beer (but especially this with the 10 min Columbus):

Be ready to chill this as soon as you switch the flame off, have a sink of water ready (ice as well if you have it) and stir the wort quickly as soon as the pot hits the water. Otherwise the hops might keep isommerising, which will make it more bitter than aromatic.

[wrighty]

Gear is on its way.
With your boil did that include the ldme wih the steepings ?
How did it shape up for bitterness i might drop the columbus in at 5min ?

Cheers Wrighty

[Bizier]

Just put maybe 80g DME per L of your boil, and dump the rest in either at flameout or do a separate boil for a few mins before chilling and adding.

As for the Columbus, I did 10, and made sure it went straight into a cold sink of water and stirred to arrest issomerisation. If you think that you might be slower chilling, then 5 mins might be a good idea.

The bitterness was definitely present, and I would say about 45 IBU at a guess. But it was the smooth bitterness of late hops, not harsh at all.

My mate did something very similar, but botched the bottling, so there was lots of suspended yeast, and he chilled a lot slower, so the hops had a peppery bitterness and much less aroma, which made a VERY different beer.

I suggest an extended primary of 14 days minimum, and add gelatine and chill if you can. You really want this to be crystal clear and with a minimum of yeast. If you have no fridge, perhaps there is a cold part of the house with this lovely weather we are having. As with other beers, chill bottles in the fridge for a few days if possible.

Cheers, and I really look forward to hearing how you go.

[wrighty]

Cheers bizier ,
I will rack to secondary and free up the fermentor for another brew ,tempwise no issue in midwest W.A.
Do have control fridge and crash chiller .We dont often slip under 10c in winter witch is as cold as i like it
Just waitn on the gear from ross !

[wrighty]

Done and in the fermentor
Had to make a few small changes as couldnt get my hands on the cervesa kit so subbed with coopers larger and cut the
hop additions back to 30g to compensate.Will post taste test when done.

[Bizier]

Awesome!

You potentially get three brews out your way. I know it is not an amazingly inventive recipe, but it was a goodie. I am keen to hear what you think.

[wrighty]

Tasted sample out of hydro tube ,think it will be a ripper see what you mean about floral notes.
Real friuty flavour almost peach and apricot flavour and very smooth no sharp hop bite.
Can see the wife liking this very much if i let her in on the brew, might best to keep my gob shut

[wrighty]

In the bottle and carbing up,took a couple of scoops from the trub to make a starter for the next batch.
Made another batch today dubbed Biziers Columbus& palisade mk 2.

1.7 kg coopers lager
500g LLME
500g LDME
300G Carared
200g Caramalt
150g Carapils
30g Palisade @ 40 min
30g Columbus @ 5 min
Cooled and pitched starter
sg 1044 23lt
Its slightly darker than 1st as expected ,see what it turns out like .
Did you keg or bottle your 1st ? Plan on tasting no1 in 2 weeks.

Cheers Wrighty.

[Bizier]

I bottle and went reasonably high (for me) with the carbination around 2 vols.

Your second sounds nice, though it might be very balanced towards sweet with half a kilo of crystal malt in there. BUT that said, I am a hop fiend (used over a kilo of hops in a 46L batch on the weekend and only used 500g of carared).

Sounds good, and I am keen to hear your results.

[wrighty]

Yep your on the money about the sweetness ,hydro sample was very sweet.
Think i will add more hops in secondary with a small boil.
Was thinking 10g of each palisade/columbus as they seem to go well together.
Think ill have to get beersmith to work my balances better.

[Bizier]

I know that it is a bit brutal, but you could add some more of a kit to it as they are already bitter.

Beersmith is useful, but it is a prick of a program as far as usability. But so is Dungeons and Dragons... I mean, Promash.

[wrighty]

Cracked two last night,bloody nice drop .
Citrus ,grapefriut nose with an almost rockmelon taste.
Anyone who likes a friut driven pale give this a go as its a very easy drinking and i will be making this a summer staple.
Thanks Bizier for the recipie and input
Have got an inaugral home brew comp in Chapman Valley intend to enter a couple of bottles of this and some amber ale.
Cheers Wrighty

[Bizier]

Ripper Wrighty!
Good luck in the comp.

I thought I'd share it because it was super easy and successful straight off the bat.

Thanks for trying it, and I hope that it encourages any other brewers thinking about using some grain and hops to just go ahead and do it.

[wrighty]

Bottled the Mk 2 today has been in secondary for 10 days.
Ended up dry hopping 15g of amarillo into the secondary to take out some of the sweetness of the crystal.
Tasted good from the hydro sample,bulk primed with 200g of dex.
Did a small whirlpool to mix primer and didnt leave to settle for to long so came out a bit cloudy in the bottle.
Looking at the bottles 3 hours later seems i have a fair bit of Amarillo sediment in the bottom.
Could this be a good/bad thing

[Bizier]

Should be OK if it is only hop trub. I have definitely made some green-arsed beers that tasted great.

I would be concerned that Amarillo (esp dry hop or late boil) adds to perceived sweetness... it can be make "bi-lo tropical fruit drink" if you aren't careful

Watch you don't whirlpool too roughly when bulk priming, you might send your beer to oxidisation town.